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May 18, 2013 16:02 |  #1

So I bought my MK111 in March and now have approx. 1800 accuations.
This is the first time I have seen anything like this. Shutter problems??
I shot 1010 images in 2 days in Algonquin Park this week and 2 came out like this?
Maybe SD card?

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May 18, 2013 16:04 |  #2

What was you shutter speed on those shots ?


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May 18, 2013 16:07 |  #3

Nevermind, I found the answer. :)
The white stripe on the 2nd shot definitely looks like some sort of shutter issue.


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May 19, 2013 19:03 |  #4

Having done three shutters in different cameras over the years, I'd be more inclined to say it's a card problem.


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May 19, 2013 19:17 |  #5

Corrupt card. The issue is way to abrupt and the appearance is wrong for a dying shutter.


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May 19, 2013 19:21 |  #6

Broken cards don't have diagonal issues. Image data is always written straight.


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May 19, 2013 19:25 |  #7

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Broken cards don't have diagonal issues. Image data is always written straight.

And broken shutters don't make part of the image pure black on one shot and pure white on another.


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May 19, 2013 20:32 |  #8

broken shutters don't come right by themselves either...

actually that second shot doesn't look too diagonal when you wind the brightness right down - I'm voting for either a card issue, or a reader issue.

Op, if you 've still got the photograph on the card, what does the preview in camera look like?


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May 19, 2013 21:09 as a reply to  @ joeseph's post |  #9

Looks like the film was not loaded properly ..... Oh ..... Wait .... Nevermind!


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May 19, 2013 22:04 |  #10

FWIW There are some typical 'failing shutter' images in this post --> https://photography-on-the.net …highlight=faili​ng+shutter




  
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May 19, 2013 22:15 |  #11

Neither looks like a shutter problem to me.

Here are some posts with examples showing shutter failure:

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1284331

https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=907645

Also, a shutter problem would usually show up in every image... not just two out of 1800.


Just based upon appearance, I'd suspect the memory card, card reader, connectivity or a writing issue (which would be camera related)... However I have to agree that the second image doesn't really look like this, either.

Here are some examples of corrupted images:

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1279758

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1293941

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1276253

and here: http://www.flickr.com …in/set-72157630468725078/ (external link)


To me the image with the black stripe/baby moose looks like a corrupted image file.

The one with a white stripe across the bottom/adult moose could be, too, except that it's slightly diagonal, which doesn't happen with a corrupt file. By any chance, did you crop that image file and cause it to be slightly diagonal? As someone already mentioined, it appears too abrupt for a failed shutter.

Corrupted files can be many things... most common is connectivity... Such as a bad cable or hub. Or image files can get corrupted due to a hard drive or network issue. Or a bad card reader. Or a bad card. It also can occur when the camera is writing the image... bad connectivity, a bad A/D converter in the camera, a sensor issue. Usually if it's a hard drive problem, it's just a few random images. Connectivity, card, sensor, A/D problems usually show up more frequently... in nearly every image.


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May 19, 2013 22:27 |  #12

joeseph wrote in post #15948145 (external link)
actually that second shot doesn't look too diagonal when you wind the brightness right down - I'm voting for either a card issue, or a reader issue.

Not sure if we are looking at the same image. The file information isn't recorded "almost" horizontally. It is recorded 100% totally, absolutely perfectly, horizontally. The white area on that photo starts at a different position for every single scan line, very much making it into a diagonal phenomenon.

When the issue is related to the file, i.e. card, then the error should be perfectly horizontal with mathematical precision. Or it might at a specific location suddenly move up or down with multiple scanlines, such as maybe a full 8 scan lines, more or less, forming a big, very visible, step. Remember the very blocky look you get when looking at a damaged JPEG file? But raw files also align the data perfectly, so neither JPEG nor raw files have file information stored in a way where a card failure produces a diagonal.

That doesn't mean it has to be a shutter issue. There may have been a software issue or a number of different other issues. A timing issue when copying image data scan line by scan line at the same time as new image data arrives scan line by scan line can give these kinds of results, in case the speed of data in and speed of data out differs. Then the camera will get either further and further, or shorter and shorter, on every new scan line before suffering the problem.

At the same time, a shutter who fails to properly close can produce massive overexposure. There seems to be a slight gradient at the white diagonal transition - and a shutter that stops moving would require a tiny distance to slow down, producing a gradient of stronger exposure. Just that the shutter shouldn't normally give such a diagonal either, unless the shutter leaf have come lose on one side. The first photo also shows a bit of a gradient on the left side of the black bar - a gradient that is looking quite a lot like a shutter curtain issue.

Op, if you 've still got the photograph on the card, what does the preview in camera look like?

Comparing preview with final image is always good to do, since a problem in both preview and full image indicates it is an issue the camera processor did see when the photo was actually taken, but before the data was written to the memory card.

But most evidence indicates that this didn't happen because of a broken card.


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May 20, 2013 00:21 |  #13

pwm2 wrote in post #15948453 (external link)
Not sure if we are looking at the same image. The file information isn't recorded "almost" horizontally. It is recorded 100% totally, absolutely perfectly, horizontally. The white area on that photo starts at a different position for every single scan line, very much making it into a diagonal phenomenon.

not sure if it's 100% valid, but I'd just edited the Op's photo & reduced the brightness.
There looks like corrupt data in there before it goes completely white..

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May 20, 2013 00:26 |  #14

i say memory card reader


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May 20, 2013 00:52 |  #15

joeseph wrote in post #15948658 (external link)
not sure if it's 100% valid, but I'd just edited the Op's photo & reduced the brightness.
There looks like corrupt data in there before it goes completely white..

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I agree - that part looks like the block errors when there are damages with a JPEG image. Where did you get access to that data? Chrome totally fails to show such information if asked to view the attached photo magnified.


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