Out of focus 60D

Yes, normally I shoot raw, but for this testing I switched to JPGs. As I do not want to do any post processing for the comparison between the two cameras, to keep everything the same, and to move from the camera to a PC, the JPGs are quicker.

...some of the lenses; are you inferring that some lenses do work OK?

John from PA wrote in post #15950354
...some of the lenses; are you inferring that some lenses do work OK?

No, I just did not pay much attention. I knew I was not happy, but I did not try to investigate, since it was really noticeable only with the long telephoto. When not traveling, 80 percent of the shots are done with the 15-85 (17-70 OS before that), and the rest with the Tamron 70-300. Last night I tested cameras with the Tamron 70-300, EF-S 18-200, and EF-S 15-85. Tonight I will check the others that I have - Sigma 30mm, EF 85mm, and EF-S 60mm. I don't think the UWA will be noticeable, but I will try it too.

What would be the most effective way to test: Using AF, or AF when in live view, or manual with light view, or maybe AF when tethered to the computer?

This is useless with out pics.
Starting a new thread about the same problem isn't going to give you different answers to the ones you don't like in the old thread.
As with your other thread about the same issue, post some uncropped shots so we can see what the original pic was like and how much you are cropping.
As I said in the other thread, I'm suspecting you are cropping extremely heavily and expecting results that just aren't possible.

If a T2i is taking better photos with the same lenses than the 60D, I would think a trip to Canon would be in order for the 60D.

I get very sharp and accurate photos with my 60D and I also have the 15-85.

I am having the same problem with my 60D as I stated in the other threat.. I shoot with primes it's sharp. I shoot with my 100-400L and every image is soft, and not a fore focus or back focus issue, it's like it is still hunting for the focus even though it beeped. I was going to ditch the 100-400 thinking it had issues as I bought it used, and when I put the 100-400 on my 1D MKlll it was great. so the 60D definitely has some issues, maybe not in every body, but I concur something is not right with it in some way. I will definitely be watching this to see what comes of this because I am having the same issues with my 60D and my photographs look just like his

As promised, here are 100 percent crops. I tested Tamron 70-300, Canon EF-S 18-55, EF-85, EF-S 60, and Sigma 30mm. The results are similar to these shots. I think the test is valid, both the 60D and the T2i share the same sensor and the same processor.

Somehow the EXIF data was stripped, but it was shot at F8, ISO 800, SS 1/30, controlled lighting, tripod, remote release.

What do you think is wrong with the 60D?

Lbsimon wrote in post #15951431
As promised, here are 100 percent crops. I tested Tamron 70-300, Canon EF-S 18-55, EF-85, EF-S 60, and Sigma 30mm. The results are similar to these shots. I think the test is valid, both the 60D and the T2i share the same sensor and the same processor.

What do you think is wrong with the 60D?

I can't say yet, but I am having the identical problem with mine.

http://www.peleng8.com​/how-to-detect-back-focus.html

Make this target and read the instructions. You can eliminate front/back focus and then send the 60D to Canon.

You may ommit this step and send it directly to Canon, but it would be nice to know beforehand what the problem is.

MakisM1 wrote in post #15951459
http://www.peleng8.com​/how-to-detect-back-focus.html

Make this target and read the instructions. You can eliminate front/back focus and then send the 60D to Canon.

You may ommit this step and send it directly to Canon, but it would be nice to know beforehand what the problem is.

Usually the front/back focus issue is associated with a lens, not with a camera, whereas I have this problem with every lens that I have. But I will give it a try. Thanks.

I'll ask again...
Can you post some ORIGINAL UNCROPPED images.

Lbsimon wrote in post #15951479
Usually the front/back focus issue is associated with a lens, not with a camera, whereas I have this problem with every lens that I have. But I will give it a try. Thanks.

Not even close to true.... both lenses and cameras have AF adjustments and both can be calibrated. If every lens on a particular camera is showing the same type of fault and they are all fine on another camera, it's the first camera that's out of adjustment.

60D doesn't have the Micro Adjustment feature of the 50D and 7D, so it has to be sent to Canon for focus calibration.

The 60D's images aren't as inhernetly "soft" as the 7D's (the latter has a strong anti-alias filter), but the 18MP cameras do produce a softer image than earlier crop sensor cameras (such as the 15MP T2i)... however not so bad as your example (more post processing sharpening is needed). From your examples and the info provided, I'm almost certain the camera's AF is out of calibration.

Do the test for back/front focusing, as previously suggested. Also delve into your picture style to be sure that in-camera sharpening isn't dialed all the way down. I'm betting you'll find that sharpening is set to the default and that there's significant back or front focusing, which means the camera needs to go in for service.

Lbsimon wrote in post #15951431
As promised, here are 100 percent crops. I tested Tamron 70-300, Canon EF-S 18-55, EF-85, EF-S 60, and Sigma 30mm. The results are similar to these shots. I think the test is valid, both the 60D and the T2i share the same sensor and the same processor.

Somehow the EXIF data was stripped, but it was shot at F8, ISO 800, SS 1/30, controlled lighting, tripod, remote release.

What do you think is wrong with the 60D?

i think the tests are (probably) valid too.

but you have to realize you're dealing with a bunch of nerds, myself included.

how did you focus?

why not post the other shots?

you didn't even tell us what lens was used for the test shots you just posted.

what of the picture styles? just saying that you put it on standard doesn't cut it.
are each camera's standard settings the same?

original uncropped images are irrelevant if we are comparing same to same.
but we don't really know that.


further more, exif data is not preserved with photoshop's save to web, not that it really matters in this case.

fwiw, i'm trusting your tests, and guessing that your camera is in need of some specialized work.

but you aren't really giving us the full picture.

1/30 of a shutter speed is not ideal too.... But... I would send the camera in to get checked out...


And what's with the balloon knot of a mouth that doll has?