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May 24, 2013 08:59 |  #31

Hibino wrote in post #15962492 (external link)
what's the cheapest way to allow wireless flash power control?

I've got some el cheapo no-name triggers ($10) from ebay but it's a pain to always have to go up to the flash to change the settings.

there is no cheap way


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May 24, 2013 09:08 as a reply to  @ Gregg.Siam's post |  #32

No, but there certainly is a cheapest, regardless of how expensive it is.
Staying within the brand, it must reasonably be a Canon EOS body with remote control via the built-in flash and then something like the 430 EX II.


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May 24, 2013 09:50 |  #33

Can a YN-622 do it or do you need yongnuo flashes?


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May 24, 2013 10:03 |  #34

Hibino wrote in post #15962492 (external link)
what's the cheapest way to allow wireless flash power control?

I've got some el cheapo no-name triggers ($10) from ebay but it's a pain to always have to go up to the flash to change the settings.

These aren't cheap and I'm not sure if they're the cheapest.

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May 24, 2013 10:55 |  #35

Hibino wrote in post #15962492 (external link)
what's the cheapest way to allow wireless flash power control?

I've got some el cheapo no-name triggers ($10) from ebay but it's a pain to always have to go up to the flash to change the settings.

The YN-622C are currently the cheapest trigger option -
http://flashhavoc.com/​yn622c_review/ (external link)

And an ETTL flash like the YN-568EX (or Canon MKII flash) -
http://flashhavoc.com/​yongnuo-yn-568ex-review/ (external link)

Though the YN-560 III is likely to become the cheapest option at some point, once a new transmitter is released which will likely allow remote manual power control (though no HSS or TTL) -
http://flashhavoc.com/​yongnuo-yn-560-iii-review/ (external link)
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May 24, 2013 11:17 |  #36

Hibino wrote in post #15962492 (external link)
what's the cheapest way to allow wireless flash power control?

I've got some el cheapo no-name triggers ($10) from ebay but it's a pain to always have to go up to the flash to change the settings.

You already have this capability in the 7D.. It's free!...

The wireless flash commander in the 7D/60D/T3i is quite a sophisticated system and will work in anything but broad daylight with no direct visual contact. For studio conditions you'd have no problem...

Now if you have studio flashes rather than Canon-compatible speedlites, then.. look above.

I'd go for the 622-C myself, but I don't have to...


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May 26, 2013 13:37 |  #37

what are the pros and cons of the 622c and pocketwizards, canon st e2\3?
Will I miss a key feature by going with the cheapest system?


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May 26, 2013 18:46 |  #38

elv wrote in post #15963121 (external link)
Though the YN-560 III is likely to become the cheapest option at some point, once a new transmitter is released which will likely allow remote manual power control (though no HSS or TTL) -
http://flashhavoc.com/​yongnuo-yn-560-iii-review/ (external link)
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Has anyone seen anything to suggest this is actually something possible with the 560-III?


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May 27, 2013 09:54 |  #39

Romax12 wrote in post #15969290 (external link)
what are the pros and cons of the 622c and pocketwizards, canon st e2\3?
Will I miss a key feature by going with the cheapest system?

I don't think so. In many ways, 622's are much better than the original canon system, being able to do second curtain sync, for example, and the old canon can't. Not limited to line of sight, or being unable to function in bright sun are some other problems with the canon older canon system.

PW are the industry gold standard, and you pay for it. I for one can't see what PW can do that my 622's can't that I would need. For an hobbiest, these are perfect. I don't have any plans to go with PW anytime soon. Many wedding photographers have also switched to these units, so they are being used by the pros.

The new canon system is much better, but I still think there may be things the yn6622's do that the new system doesn't, but the new system does have features that IF you have a body introduced in 2012 or newer, you can take advantage of them (expanded grouping feature, for example)

If you are a pro and need the very best, and the most rugged, then PW are a no brainer. But for anyone else, I think the yn-622's should be checked out to see if they will fit your needs.


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May 27, 2013 11:33 |  #40

ksbal wrote in post #15971843 (external link)
I don't think so. In many ways, 622's are much better than the original canon system, being able to do second curtain sync, for example, and the old canon can't. Not limited to line of sight, or being unable to function in bright sun are some other problems with the canon older canon system.

PW are the industry gold standard, and you pay for it. I for one can't see what PW can do that my 622's can't that I would need. For an hobbiest, these are perfect. I don't have any plans to go with PW anytime soon. Many wedding photographers have also switched to these units, so they are being used by the pros.

The new canon system is much better, but I still think there may be things the yn6622's do that the new system doesn't, but the new system does have features that IF you have a body introduced in 2012 or newer, you can take advantage of them (expanded grouping feature, for example)

If you are a pro and need the very best, and the most rugged, then PW are a no brainer. But for anyone else, I think the yn-622's should be checked out to see if they will fit your needs.


Thanks alot! I think im gonna go for the yn!


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May 27, 2013 12:04 |  #41

There is a 622-C thread here. It's several pages long and people are reporting their successes and failures using them in different configurations with different lights and different bodies. Check it out.

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1212530

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May 27, 2013 13:30 |  #42

Romax12 wrote in post #15969290 (external link)
what are the pros and cons of the 622c and pocketwizards, canon st e2\3?
Will I miss a key feature by going with the cheapest system?

Possibly, possibly not.

Between the 622c and PWs, the PWs allow for more sophisticated control over the sync timing (hypersync), better range, better reliability and overall better components, as well as compatibility with all the other PW triggers in the range. They're pro-grade. YN are consumer-grade. If you go with YN-622c, they are incompatible with Yongnuo's RF-602s & RF-603s (you can stack triggers, but...), and there's no reason to believe they'll be compatible with anything Yongnuo comes out with in the future.

OTOH, as a hobbyist, you're unlikely to miss these features and the cost savings are appreciable.

vs. the ST-E2, the YN-622cs offer much MORE function, as well as radio over optical, so there's really no contest, here. YN-622c all the way.

vs. the ST-E3, otoh, you only gain 2nd curtain sync. With 600EX-RT flashes (and, one assumes, whatever replaces the 430EXII, and future cheapie YN ripoffs :), and a 2012 or newer body, you'd gain the ability to control the camera shutter from the remote flash, ID codes which effectively expand your channel choices to 10,000+ channels, 5 groups vs. 3 groups, and Groups mode where you can mix the modes of the remote flashes and still remotely control them from the camera LCD (the YN-622cs allow you to mix TTL and manual, but you must set the flashes from the individual flash). And, of course, the radio triggering is integrated into the units, so you don't need to bring extra batteries, cables, and triggers with you--just your speedlights.

Again, as with the PWs, as a hobbyist you may not miss any of these features, and the cost savings is appreciative.


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