Canon oversaturated reds- oops- my bad hehe!

Always had it in my mind that I had to be very careful with my canon cameras in shooting vibrant reds. I have lots of red flowers, dresses etc where the detail was all blown out and never happy with result when I dialed down saturation. Was in for a shocker when I hooked up my new NEC PA241 monitor. In addition to the beautiful big color, I found all my original raw files before modification had in fact been captured perfectly, my old monitor was the culprit. Finding incredible detail in all the reds, and very realistic reproduction of the colors. Now I am regretting the couple times I told models not to bring "too saturated red or magenta" clothes to a shoot- I missed out!

I had a similar thread a little while ago.

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1297723

The conclusion was that the culprit was the monitor...

So, it takes $800 to see it all! Wow!

Have you calibrated that new monitor? If not, you might be even more pleasantly surprised.

amfoto1 wrote in post #15960193
Have you calibrated that new monitor? If not, you might be even more pleasantly surprised.

Yes, I got it with the Spectraview II and sensor. I made some prints last night with my 3880 and was impressed with how well they matched the monitor. Looks like I will be able to eliminate a lot of the test prints I used to require to get what I was after.

MakisM1 wrote in post #15960169
So, it takes $800 to see it all! Wow!

try one of these on for size

http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …k_27_wide_scren​_wide.html




keep in mind that wide gamut calibrated displays are great for closed workflows (where you are printing to a printer connected to your computer, or other device where you can match colors/have a calibrated profile etc).

but if you are tweaking images for the rest of the world, things will look differently once they are on someone else's monitor.

hes gone wrote in post #15960362
=he's gone;15960362]try one of these on for size

http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …k_27_wide_scren​_wide.html




keep in mind that wide gamut calibrated displays are great for closed workflows (where you are printing to a printer connected to your computer, or other device where you can match colors/have a calibrated profile etc).

but if you are tweaking images for the rest of the world, things will look differently once they are on someone else's monitor.

Simple! You get two of those babies... One for the way you see things and one for how the rest of the Web sees your things!... Har, har, har...

Stuart Leslie wrote in post #15960219
Yes, I got it with the Spectraview II and sensor. I made some prints last night with my 3880 and was impressed with how well they matched the monitor. Looks like I will be able to eliminate a lot of the test prints I used to require to get what I was after.

Monitor calibration is so essential, and not that expensive. I'm currently using the ColorMunki calibration system, but also the ImagePrint RIP on my 4880. It is so great to know exactly what to expect on the printer - all the test prints and adjustments I used to make - glad to be done with all that.

When I print to an UNcalibrated printer, like my Canon M9220 color laser printer (for long runs of lower quality), I ALWAYS have to drop the reds or people look like they're not well in the photos.

Having the monitor calibrated as well as the RIP, with profiles for each type of paper, makes a huge difference. Most people don't know and don't care...

Larry Becker

hes gone wrote in post #15960362
=he's gone;15960362]try one of these on for size

http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …k_27_wide_scren​_wide.html




keep in mind that wide gamut calibrated displays are great for closed workflows (where you are printing to a printer connected to your computer, or other device where you can match colors/have a calibrated profile etc).

but if you are tweaking images for the rest of the world, things will look differently once they are on someone else's monitor.

It's sometimes embarrassing giving someone an image file you've edited on a closed system, and they take it to Costco. Colors can be really odd... Most places are expecting a plain jpg right from the camera.

Larry

MakisM1 wrote in post #15960372
Simple! You get two of those babies... One for the way you see things and one for how the rest of the Web sees your things!... Har, har, har...

you're absolutely right.

my old lacie blue eye CRT system died, and i've been making due with a cheap samsung lately. I calibrated it 4 times to finally get it where i want it to be, and it still shows a bit to much magenta in some images, even with neutrals being really freaking neutral.

anyway, dual monitors or sliding the image from the calibrated one to a laptop works great too.


larry, one thing you might want to try (if it matters ) is to convert it to cmyk and back to RGB. That will shrink the gamut and try to keep all the colors relative to each other.

anyone interested in more about this should check out this entire site:
http://www.cambridgein​colour.com …olor-space-conversion.htm

hes gone wrote in post #15960685
=he's gone;15960685]you're absolutely right.

my old lacie blue eye CRT system died, and i've been making due with a cheap samsung lately. I calibrated it 4 times to finally get it where i want it to be, and it still shows a bit to much magenta in some images, even with neutrals being really freaking neutral.

anyway, dual monitors or sliding the image from the calibrated one to a laptop works great too.


larry, one thing you might want to try (if it matters ) is to convert it to cmyk and back to RGB. That will shrink the gamut and try to keep all the colors relative to each other.

anyone interested in more about this should check out this entire site:
http://www.cambridgein​colour.com …olor-space-conversion.htm

I've thought about doing something like that - and when I'm aware that there might be a problem, I go back to the jpg file (I often shoot RAW+JPG, but always at least raw) and just crop the jpg file for them. I've had people beg me to make prints for them after they've gone to cheapie commercial printing... kind of funny, and oddly gratifying, but a pain. I'm quite sure people don't realize that there is a level of skill in printing photographs.

Larry

Wow, I picked up a 5000K bulb for reviewing prints and can't believe that I can hold a print up next to my monitor and see exactly the same image. Of course all 5000K bulbs are not the same... the LED one I tried was bad, the CF one not so good, but the 18 inch Philips Natural looks pretty much like everything I have tested with the monitor so far. Good enough for my needs at least. Did some more test prints to verify tonight, and it seems I won't need to do a lot of test prints in the future as I am seeing pretty much exactly (for me) on the monitor as what I see in the prints.

Stuart Leslie wrote in post #15961757
Wow, I picked up a 5000K bulb for reviewing prints and can't believe that I can hold a print up next to my monitor and see exactly the same image. Of course all 5000K bulbs are not the same... the LED one I tried was bad, the CF one not so good, but the 18 inch Philips Natural looks pretty much like everything I have tested with the monitor so far. Good enough for my needs at least. Did some more test prints to verify tonight, and it seems I won't need to do a lot of test prints in the future as I am seeing pretty much exactly (for me) on the monitor as what I see in the prints.

it is truly an awesome feeling!

unfortunately it's been a while, but i'm heading in that direction.