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May 29, 2013 17:01 |  #1

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Before I do the requisite trawling of the review sites, I've come to enjoy reading ideas and comments from experienced heads (and people with worse GAS than me) on POTN.

I'm thinking about replacing my macro tubes for something a little more specialised and generally sharper and better handling than a non-macro - I'm veering toward the longer macro lenses - the Canon 180mm appeals to me.

What are the alternatives? Are there any stinkers? Any hidden gems? I know Sigma and Tamron have long versions too, are they any good?

1:1 reproduction is desirable. I can cope with MF, in fact I think it'd be easier, but stop down aperture isn't much fun squinting to see at f/13.


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May 29, 2013 17:08 |  #2

the sigma offers you OS, and about a 1/2 a stop of extra light...which could be beneficial if you intend to use it for things outside of macro

I assume you're on a FF camera, otherwise I feel like they may be quite long on a crop...

any reason you're not after the 100mm, or 150mm lenses at all?


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May 29, 2013 17:08 |  #3

The Canon 180L is a superb lens for sure, but is not so easy to handle as the shorter ones and doesn't have IS to help. I love mine, but it does need some care to get the best results. Sigma's new 180 has OS and is gaining a very good reputation, but it's even more expensive than the Canon. I don't think the Tamron is in the same class as these two.

The Canon 100L IS is about the best general macro out there, and if you don't need IS you can save some money by getting the non-IS 100mm macro, which is just about as sharp. Obviously you don't get such a long working distance with the shorter lenses for a given image size.


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May 29, 2013 17:20 |  #4

DreDaze wrote in post #15980414 (external link)
the sigma offers you OS, and about a 1/2 a stop of extra light...which could be beneficial if you intend to use it for things outside of macro

I assume you're on a FF camera, otherwise I feel like they may be quite long on a crop...

any reason you're not after the 100mm, or 150mm lenses at all?

I'm on a 5Dc, so yep, 35mm. This might sound weird but I've taken to buying lenses which relatively few people own - usually primes, I find that lenses which offer a unique or different feature set are generally the ones which deliver images that you don't see very often or would find difficult to achieve with a standard item.

I also like the idea that you're further away and don't cast shadows. I recently borrowed a 90mm Tamron which is superb, aside from the build. With a 300mm MFD, I found the front element was obstructing the light and didn't give a natural perspective.


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May 29, 2013 18:41 |  #5

From what I've heard, the Canon 180L is the best macro out there, excluding the Canon 65mm macro. The 65mm is an insane macro that has a minimum of 1:1 and focuses to a maximum of 5:1. But of the regular lenses the 180L has much praise.

Between the two Canon 100mm macro lenses I have owned both and they are so similar it really only comes down to do you need IS or weather sealing... if no for both then the cheaper 100mm macro non L is amazing value for money. I have not used any other macros and can't give an opinion on them.


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May 29, 2013 19:15 |  #6

UKmitch86 wrote in post #15980451 (external link)
This might sound weird but I've taken to buying lenses which relatively few people own - usually primes, I find that lenses which offer a unique or different feature set are generally the ones which deliver images that you don't see very often or would find difficult to achieve with a standard item.

I've been building this same thought. And following through with several new lenses. All prime, all with something extra to offer: short mfd, huge aperture, and soon, tilt/shift. Each can do two jobs (a standard look + a special effect) and all are spread out (focal length) so as to provide coverage enough not to need other/standard lenses.


To the OP, the 300/4.0 seems to offer an effect similar to focus stacking with a shorter lens, but with less work. Working distance is also huge:

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May 29, 2013 20:10 |  #7

The 180L is an excellent lens...

IMAGE: http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5093/5585285923_f2d1d237aa_z.jpg

I use it on full frame (film for the above) primarily. I find it pretty long on crop sensor cameras.

As you can see, depth of field can be incredibly shallow. That's one thing that makes the lens harder to use. To have any sort of DOF you have to stop down, and that in turn means slower shutter speeds. So most often I use it on a tripod or other support (for the above shot the camera and lens were on the ground).

The 180L is full featured:
- Internal focusing (IF) so it doesn't extend when focused closer. OTOH, this makes it a larger lens to start with.
- Tripod mounting ring is supplied (thankfully) and the lens hood is included.
- It has provision for mounting the Canon macro flashes, MT-24EX and MR-14EX.
- Focus limiter, which along with USM help it focus a little faster. But it's still nowhere near as quick focusing as a non-macro lens.
- It doesn't have IS, but I doubt it would be very much help at macro magnifications anyway.

I wouldn't say the 180L is the "best" macro... both Canon 100mm are also excellent. So is the more compact EF-S 60/2.8 for crop sensor camera users. The 65 MP-E is in a league of it's own. They're all different, I wouldn't call one better than the other. One of the 100s is probably the most versatile all around of the bunch, nice on both crop and FF, and they focus fast enough to be dual purpose, to use for non-macro work as well. The 180 is more "macro only". The 65mm is easily the most specialized of the bunch.

Do not get rid of your macro extension rings! They are very usable with macro lenses, too, and can come in handy for a lot of things.

Oh, and yes, the 300/4 IS is a pretty darned good near macro lens, too...

IMAGE: http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8180/8004813561_3049812755_z.jpg

In fact, the 300/4L is the closest focusing of the Canon 300mm or longer primes. The above was slightly cropped from an image made near the lens' minimum focus distance. You could add some macro extension tubes to make it a bit closer focusing, but with 300mm focal length it takes a lot of extension to make very much difference.

I overlooked the 50/2.5 Compact Macro... just am not a big fan of shorter macro lenses. It's not USM and it only goes to 1:2 on it's own, uses a matched adapter to get to 1:1 that ends up all costing as much or more than some of the above lenses.

The Canon 45mm and 90mm TS-E lenses are also interesting to use for close-up work, too. Strictly manual focus, but that's okay with me since manual focus is usually easier for macro shooting anyway.

I haven't used the Sigma macros.... 105mm OS, 150mm OS and 180mm now also with OS. They also have offered 50/2.8 and 70/2.8... not sure if they still do. Can't really comment much... I prefer the Canon 100s over the 105mm, because it can't be fitted with a tripod ring (one is optional on the Canon). The 180mm OS is relatively new, I believe. Haven't heard too much about it. The 150mm OS has been around for a year or two and has some big fans.

Tamron has long made great macro lenses. Their SP 90/2.5 and 2.8 vintage, manual focus lenses are legendary and I still use a couple of them. One I've adapted for use on Canon...

IMAGE: http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5125/5283068575_5d2187dd6f_z.jpg

The modern version of the 90mm with autofocus is very good and affordable. There's a new, less affordable version just coming available that's upgraded with their new USD focus (similar to Canon USM) and VC (similar to Canon IS and Sigma OS). Tamron's 60/2.0 is one of the fastest macro lenses available, but is crop only. (Zeiss offers a 100/2.0 Makro ZE for Canon, just be sitting down when you look up the price). I haven't used the modern Tamron 180mm.... The vintage 180/2.5 SP was a very nice lens, but not a macro.

Tokina also makes a couple really nice macro lenses. The 100mm AT-X is the latest in a long line of top quality macros. They also offer the shortest and most compact 35/2.8, but it's crop only.

Lots to choose among... there aren't any "bad" macro lenses. Most are optically excellent. Some are more full-featured than others... The Canon are among the most full-featured of them all.

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