Disgusted by speedlites

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cdifoto wrote in post #16007249
I can actually choose my shooting times to make pretty pictures. So there's that.

At any rate, there's a rather large divide between "can't confidently take them anywhere" and "great for some and maybe even most situations." You keep wanting to argue the former, which simply isn't true. .....It's patently false that you can't confidently take them anywhere.

With shooting for over 35 years, I know where you can take them and where you can't and I know that you "can't confidently take them anywhere".

Don't take my word for it, even Joe McNally "can't confidently take them anywhere".

Heres an extract from his May 31st post in Beijing a few days ago.. he took 3 SB910's and then wanted his client to hire Profoto, but they ended up buying Elinchrom Ranger(s), Rotilux and 'other' stuff to do the job:

Read through the post, he uses the Ranger for his shots, hard wired to camera and optically triggering the SB910's.. who wouldn't? Now if there ever was an example to counter your[I] ".....It's patently false that you can't confidently take them anywhere" then look no further for an example, there was "no confidence" in Speedlights exhibited on this occasion.

http://www.joemcnally.​com …hoto-shopping-in-beijing/
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PhotographersWorldWide wrote in post #16009931
With shooting for over 35 years, I know where you can take them and where you can't and I know that you "can't confidently take them anywhere".

Don't take my word for it, even Joe McNally "can't confidently take them anywhere".

Heres an extract from his May 31st post in Beijing a few days ago.. he took 3 SB910's and then wanted his client to hire Profoto, but they ended up buying Elinchrom Ranger(s), Rotilux and 'other' stuff to do the job:

Read through the post, he uses the Ranger for his shots, hard wired to camera and optically triggering the SB910's.. who wouldn't? Now if there ever was an example to counter your[I] ".....It's patently false that you can't confidently take them anywhere" then look no further for an example, there was "no confidence" in Speedlights exhibited on this occasion.

http://www.joemcnally.​com …hoto-shopping-in-beijing/
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...to be honest, at this stage of reading this strange and bizarre thread, I have no idea what point you have just made. McNally obviously did take his flashes with him, he just didn't use them. I don't have a clue how you think that contradicts cdifoto's point.

banquetbear wrote in post #16010225
McNally obviously did take his flashes with him, he just didn't use them.

You pretty much answered your own question.

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Maybe we aren't using the phrase in the same way. When I say "you can't confidently take them anywhere" I mean, "there isn't a single place you can confidently take them." That would be a false statement, since there are a lot of places you CAN confidently take them.

Are you instead saying "you can't confidently take them anywhere" to mean that any place you want to take them they will not necessarily be adequate? That would then be true, but I would use the word EVERYWHERE not ANYWHERE for clarity, hence my question earlier.

If you really do mean that there isn't a single place you can take them with confidence, you would be dead wrong.

I couldn't even find a reply by the OP in the entire thread. What a great topic starter.

cdifoto wrote in post #16010294
If you really do mean that there isn't a single place you can take them with confidence, you would be dead wrong.

I'm sorry.. but you brought up all this "you can't confidently take them anywhere" nonsense.

To take anything with you confidently means to have your ass covered when you get to the location. Thats obviously not the case - as pointed out.

Did you actually read my previous posts?
https://photography-on-the.net …?p=15994139&pos​tcount=105
I could concoct many scenarios where a Speedlite could have enough output, but in real life nobody's life is so predictable unless your work is totally predictable. As a hobbyist with no requirement to deliver results the lack of output excuse is fine, but when you just NEED to deliver then Speedlites simply don't cut it.

https://photography-on-the.net …p?p=15989213&po​stcount=38
Speedlites are happy to perform for shooting a wide variety of paid-for subjects as well as family, kids, animals and holidays.. sometimes you have to be careful to keep the requirements, sensibility and applications separate.

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PhotographersWorldWide wrote in post #16010272
You pretty much answered your own question.

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...but what I said doesn't relate to anything you said. Hence I'll ask the question again. What the hell are you talking about?

juicedownload wrote in post #16010328
I couldn't even find a reply by the OP in the entire thread. What a great topic starter.

He/She is/was a professional Troll baiter. As you can see, one of the best.

PhotographersWorldWide wrote in post #16010420
I'm sorry.. but you brought up all this "you can't confidently take them anywhere" nonsense.

To take anything with you confidently means to have your ass covered when you get to the location. Thats obviously not the case - as pointed out.

Did you actually read my previous posts?
https://photography-on-the.net …?p=15994139&pos​tcount=105
I could concoct many scenarios where a Speedlite could have enough output, but in real life nobody's life is so predictable unless your work is totally predictable. As a hobbyist with no requirement to deliver results the lack of output excuse is fine, but when you just NEED to deliver then Speedlites simply don't cut it.

https://photography-on-the.net …p?p=15989213&po​stcount=38
Speedlites are happy to perform for shooting a wide variety of paid-for subjects as well as family, kids, animals and holidays.. sometimes you have to be careful to keep the requirements, sensibility and applications separate.

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Well then you are indeed completely full of crap. You specifically stated they can't be taken anywhere confidently. I would never assert any such thing, or even the opposite ie that they can be taken everywhere confidently. You completely twisted your initial "sometimes useful" into "never useful."

In other words, you (not YOU you, but the general you) CAN take speedlites into a situation with confidence if you know exactly what you're going into before you get there, and a lot (probably MOST) photographers know what, why, and when they're shooting in advance so they can indeed be prepared without carrying everything they own.

I would go so far as to say your situation is rather unique and rare...ie to have no idea what you're doing in advance and at the last second possibly maybe, but you never know, having to shoot and create perfect lighting at high noon even if it's a terrible idea. I don't know ANY photographers who basically have to keep their entire kit with them, including a bunch of high W-S studio strobes and modifiers, at all times in the off chance that in 5 minutes they need to create a glamorous magazine spread at the worst possible time of day. Most people know in advance when they need all that...and when they don't.

Let me put it another way for clarity: I know before I do a shoot whether I'm going to need 1200 W-S or whether those little speedlites are going to be adequate. If the latter is true, I don't lug anything else. I have enough experience to be CONFIDENT that the speedlite is going to do the job.

So no, not everyone needs to carry monolights "just in case" so they can be confident that they are adequately prepared. You don't need to be prepared for every eventuality that could happen on any given shoot of any given type on any given day...you need to be prepared for the shoot you're actually doing.

cdifoto wrote in post #16010621
Well then you are indeed completely full of crap. You specifically stated they can't be taken anywhere confidently. I would never assert any such thing, or even the opposite ie that they can be taken everywhere confidently. You completely twisted your initial "sometimes useful" into "never useful."

You obviously can't read, are on some crusade, or just don't have a clue. "Now lets make something else up".

banquetbear wrote in post #16010447
...but what I said doesn't relate to anything you said. Hence I'll ask the question again. What the hell are you talking about?

I responded to a confused post about "confidence to take speedlites anywhere"

Your Question was answered in the post I made. Joe McNally took Speedlites, had no confidence that he could use them, so before even arriving ended up using/buying/hiring proper lights instead... That shows you the "confidence in taking them anywhere"... None whatsoever.

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He's bated and caught so many, outdoor world just contacted him for a seminar.

Well, since the OP is nowhere to be found here after his initial post and the discussions have progressed to the point of either being irrelevant or repetitive, I think it's time to close the thread and move on.