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Jun 14, 2013 04:50 |  #1

Hey guys,

I am currently based in Indonesia and this is the store I am using for all my needs.

But they have different price for the filters with no explanations has to why and what is different.

Basically I am looking for a filter to use to complete the weather seal of my two L.

I know the size is different but which one should I get?

http://www.focusnusant​ara.com …mm-cpl_filters/index.html (external link)

The 70-300 will see mainly outdoors sport.
And the 24-105 is the general walk around lense, I just want a filter to protect the front elements from been scratch or hit.


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Jun 14, 2013 05:02 |  #2

If your looking for a filter just to protect the glass, no need to go with a CPL, they cost more. Just get a clear glass or UV filter. If you want the CLP function, any of the main brands will do. They each have pluses and minuses.


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Jun 14, 2013 05:15 |  #3

A CPL will also reduce the light coming into your lens by about 1.5-2 stops. If this is just to complete the weather sealing and protect the front, get a B+W UV MRC filter.


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Jun 14, 2013 09:50 |  #4

If you click on my link, you will se that there many b&w cpl mrc in the same size ranging from up to x2 the cheapest. What's the difference?


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Jun 14, 2013 10:12 |  #5

Agreed - get a B+W MRC UV if weather-sealing is your primary purpose; you'll be needing the seal in poor lighting conditions and the filter factor of a CPL will be a significant hit on your exposure settings.

But to define the differences in the filters.
Slim: designed for use with ultra-wide-angle lenses, so the filter won't cause vignetting. It's a thin filter, and may not have front threads. Shouldn't matter with either of your L lenses, so don't pay that particular premium.
MRC - B+W's name for it's multi-coated filters. Multi-coating helps reduce light loss and internal reflections at glass-air interfaces, thus giving you crisper, clearer pictures than under identical conditions with non-multicoated filters. Definitely something you should be willing to pay for, especially if the filter is going to live on your lens, or be on it in harsh lighting conditions.
Kaesemann - a specific type of circular polarizing material (which offers somewhat better light-transmission than regular CPL material). Since virtually all polarizing filters are a sandwich of a layer of polarizing material between two panes of glass, B+W seals the edges of this sandwich on their Kaesemann filters (but not their regular CPLs). So in Indonesia, I'd suggest that if you want a CPL, you get a Kaesemann, so you don't suffer from moisture (humidity) creeping into the filter around the edges.
XS - what B+W calls their latest line of filters; somewhat slimmer than their "F-Pro" filters. Coating and everything else are much the same though. If you were looking at getting a filter for the 16-35 or 17-40 going for XS wouldn't hurt; for the 24-105 or 70-300 you probably needn't worry about XS vs. F-Pro.

Hoya has their own vocabulary for multi-coating; unfortunately the types tend to get hidden deep in their product literature and they expect you to go on the basis of their marketing names. IIRC "Pro-1" has somewhat less effective multicoating than their old S-HMC" did. "SQ", "Digital" and "HRT" are all supposed to be advances, one way or another (not necessarily in multicoating) on the basic "Pro 1". I only use B+W filters so I haven't spent the time to be able to understand what differences may actually exist among the various designations. IIRC though, one of the "benefits" of the "Digital" designation is that they blacken the edges of the glass in those filters to help dampen that particular source of internal reflections. How significant that may be, I couldn't say, but it sounded good to the marketing types.


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Jun 14, 2013 13:16 |  #6

Thank you very much for the detailed reply. That was all and more I could need to know.

Someone told me to get the canon protection filter, the store sells them for half the price of the b&w UV, is the canon just a piece of non coated glass?


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Jun 14, 2013 17:42 |  #7

I would avoid the canon uv filter. I would also avoid a uv filter. To complete the weather seal get a b+w clear MRC nano.


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Jun 14, 2013 18:34 |  #8

Hatallas wrote in post #16031020 (external link)
Someone told me to get the canon protection filter, the store sells them for half the price of the b&w UV, is the canon just a piece of non coated glass?

Don't get any Canon filter. They aren't very good at all. If you get a UV filter, get the best; B+W or Hoya, and make sure its their multi coated ones.


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Jun 15, 2013 04:29 |  #9

Er, do either the 24-105 or the 70-300 L require a filter to complete their drip-proofing? Neither manual recommends the use of a filter, unlike the manual for lenses like the 16-35, where such a requirement is specifically stated.


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Jun 15, 2013 05:55 |  #10

Since I will lose one to 2 stop theoretically, aside for protection from the environment, the 70-300 that I use mainly for surfing and auto racing, will it affect the "speed" if I add a mrc cpl instead of just a UV? But I would guess it could render the color of the ocean more "blue"?

Ps: thanks for the help guys!


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Jun 15, 2013 10:07 |  #11

Well yes, by putting a CPL in front, if you keep aperture and ISO the same, your shutter speed drops by 1.5-2 stops. To keep it constant, you need to open up the aperture (usually not possible since you already are shooting wide open) or raise the ISO. If you mean the AF speed, it is definitely possible that it might cause a slight drop; less light can translate to more difficulty in acquiring focus.


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Jun 17, 2013 04:15 |  #12

Hatallas wrote in post #16032928 (external link)
Since I will lose one to 2 stop theoretically, aside for protection from the environment, the 70-300 that I use mainly for surfing and auto racing, will it affect the "speed" if I add a mrc cpl instead of just a UV? But I would guess it could render the color of the ocean more "blue"?

No, A CPL will often make the sky a darker blue, but water becomes more transparent and could make it look less blue.

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Jun 27, 2013 07:30 |  #13

If its a CPL youre after, i recommend this one. Its the same one i am using and i bought it from the same store :)
Its saved my butt on many occasions where i have had to do a shoot out in full blown mid day sun.. usually the only time everyone wants to have their outdoor shoot in this part of the world.
If youre using it for surfing and motor sports, well thats usually out in mid day sun so although you will lose around 1&1/2 stops of light, you should still get pretty decent shutter speeds. if your into auto modes, just switch your camera into Tv mode and select the shutter speed youre looking for (i recommend 1/640s as a starting point) and put your ISO on auto.
But if you want a filter merely only for weather sealing, i dont recommend a polarizer or any filter for the matter. Your lenses are already L lenses

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