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Sep 19, 2016 05:10 |  #1606

But in all cases, i can't imagine why i will shoot birds in conditions where i am forced to go up to iso 6400, i will try to use a flash in those situations, without flash i really want to stay under 1600 even with great cameras at high iso.


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Sep 19, 2016 06:25 |  #1607

You may have to use high ISO due to distances, long slow lenses, and the need for higher shutter speeds to stop motion due to weak lighting. A flash isn't always a) available, b) powerful enough, or c) allowed. When you have to work with the light that exists, you will undoubtedly move to high ISO to improve exposure, stop motion, etc.

Birds are very active just before sunset, so if you are on a hike with a long lens, a flash may or may not be useful. This is at least one situation I can think of personally.


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Sep 19, 2016 06:44 |  #1608

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You may have to use high ISO due to distances, long slow lenses, and the need for higher shutter speeds to stop motion due to weak lighting. A flash isn't always a) available, b) powerful enough, or c) allowed. When you have to work with the light that exists, you will undoubtedly move to high ISO to improve exposure, stop motion, etc.

Birds are very active just before sunset, so if you are on a hike with a long lens, a flash may or may not be useful. This is at least one situation I can think of personally.

Yes, but how high i can go, say if i will use f8 at most, with speed 1/600 with 100-400 or even 300 + 1.4x, do you think that time nearly sunset i must use ISO 6400 for example? i know most birds could be in shadows, and i know that sometimes flash couldn't be available or not powerful enough, but isn't it so much high then? can't i lower a bit the aperture and going with f5.6 for example and 1/400?

Some situations that force to go with high settings, but how much high is already high? such as f8 is so high or f16? 1/1000 or 1/4000 for example?


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Sep 19, 2016 06:55 as a reply to  @ Tareq's post |  #1609

I am not quite sure how to reply to these questions. Each situation is different. I guess I would say yes, you will need high ISO with long lenses, even with the aperture opened up a bit. High ISO is the only tool you have available to get the shot, and if you are good at post processing, you can process the noise away and still have detail. The only other 2 options are to underexpose, or have motion blur. Neither are acceptable if you have ISO at your disposal.

Here is our pond, and I shot these geese settling in for the day there. I was reach limited and aperture limited. I had no choice but to go to ISO 6400, and even then, I was at 1/320. There are many situations and environments where one would go where there is little light either due to the time of day, weather, or the canopy above.

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This was on the original 7D.

Here is one from the 5D3, again, in the morning after sun was up, but the house blocks the sun from the deck/trees in our backyard. I went up to f8 because I was closer and wanted to make sure to have a larger DOF (which still wasn't enough really). I was again limited by focal length. ISO 6400 was very useful.

There really is not substitute for experience in this topic. It is fun to go out in the early morning and shoot wildlife, I strongly suggest it! It is rewarding, and very educational as well. :)

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Sep 19, 2016 07:13 |  #1610

Sure, experience is essential in photography world, without it there won't be much improvement in any photography.

I agree with you about the early morning, i always hear and see the birds so active in my backyard garden, and the weather is a bit good enough even at the hottest summer just before the sun is more up though, and i really need to give it a try i my backyard sometimes, i think my 100-400 and 300 will be sufficient unless i put myself in a location where even 600mm is insufficient.

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Sep 19, 2016 07:25 |  #1611

It's amazing what the wildlife will do if you just sit in chair on a patio and don't really move, or move slowly. Birds have short attention spans (or at least those around my house), and they will come back out in the open for some easier shots after a few minutes (or 10-15). :)


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Sep 19, 2016 07:41 |  #1612

Tareq wrote in post #18132747 (external link)
Yes, but how high i can go, say if i will use f8 at most, with speed 1/600 with 100-400 or even 300 + 1.4x, do you think that time nearly sunset i must use ISO 6400 for example? i know most birds could be in shadows, and i know that sometimes flash couldn't be available or not powerful enough, but isn't it so much high then? can't i lower a bit the aperture and going with f5.6 for example and 1/400?

Some situations that force to go with high settings, but how much high is already high? such as f8 is so high or f16? 1/1000 or 1/4000 for example?

Wildlife photographers are often forced into high ISO due to many factors. One example is the 100-400 and teleconvertor which only allows f8. Evenings and mornings when the birds are most active has the sun low in the sky and foliage, and the birds, often in shadow. In respect of this lens, the excellent image stabilisation goes some way to mitigate this but only if the subject is absolutely still. I've shot birds at full stretch with this lens at only 1/15 sec and iso 400 and had results but higher iso would achieve a higher keeper rate. Also, the distances to the birds are often out of reach of flash.


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Sep 22, 2016 18:57 |  #1613

With respect to the above. Got this yesterday, a first for me as they're fairly secretive. Hand held


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Oct 02, 2016 23:08 |  #1615

High School Dance Team. ISO 12,800. :D

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Oct 03, 2016 23:37 |  #1616

Here are two from a band competition. These are behind the scenes shots, high ISO (12,800 and 25,600, respectively). It was foggy, drizzly, threatening worse than that, but all worked out well. Yes, there's noise, especially in the second photo. I'm good with that. There are times you see a photo and you've got to take it.

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Dec 09, 2016 14:43 as a reply to  @ bidkev's post |  #1617

Agree with all you said Bidkev.
Additionally, birds are not necessary static, so the flash would simply not cycle fast enough to be effective.
I got this (and a couple of others in a sequence) as the owl launched itself over me in a forest. There is no way a flash would have been fast enough for multiple frames.


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Dec 09, 2016 21:05 |  #1619

OOC JPG at 25600, with 4 or so photoshop filters, Noiseware, USM, etc. then a crop. Quality is fine enough to generate fan posters.

Next time, I will bring some 51200 shots into the thread. :D


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Dec 22, 2016 00:38 |  #1620

Titusville Warbird Museum sometime last year. The 6D was a real high ISO champ! Both shots taken at ISO 10K.

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