Considering going from FF to Cropped. 5Dc -> 7D

Hi everyone. I know that many of you get a lot of these things, but here is where I am at. I currently have the 5Dc with the 24-70 Mk1. I recently used the 7D with the 16-35 and absolutely loved it. I could use any help and appreciate all of it. I am trying to keep this where I can sell my gear, and pick up new things without any extra funding


Reasons for switch:

1) Looking to get some more into some simple video that I can use for documentation purposes and my architectural studies. As well as being around family and trips.

2) 5Dc is absolutely beautiful, but I feel that I am not utilizing all that the FF has to offer.

3) Get into more sports and action shots, while still keeping as a 'street' photographer.

Concerns

1) Moving from FF to Crop will need a new lens lineup

2) Missing that FF "it" factor

3) Concern that the video does not par all that well as compared to the 5D2


I am thinking of these lenses to supplement the 7D if I go with it.

17-40mm , 16-35, or 24-105.


I could use any help and appreciate all of it. I am trying to keep this where I can sell my gear, and pick up new things without any extra funding

If it was me I'd keep the 5D and get a cheaper crop camera like a rebel or EOS M for video, or save up a little while longer and get yourself a 6D or 5DIII. That said, if you do go crop I wouldn't bother with most of the lenses you listed, I would pick up the new Sigma 18-35 f/1.8.

The 6D doesn't solve some of the stated goals, the 5D3 would however.

To get that "it" factor back on the 7D, you are going to have to move to faster primes than an f2.8 zoom, which allows you to reduce your DOF for particular situations, like portraits, etc. If you buy a new lens for the 7D, I wouldn't go to a slower zoom than what you have now, at least stay with an f2.8 lens of some sort. Going with the 7D gives you the flexibility of many other great lenses (in some cases rivaling L glass) at lower prices.

Does your budget allow you the luxury of getting any of the other less expensive 18mpx crop bodies and still get a lens for it?

I'm not sure the statement that a "6D doesn't solve some of the stated goals" is correct, it is more so that it doesn't excel at some of the stated goals. Is the speed a compromise? Sure, but is the 6D faster than what the OP is using now? Absolutely. Does it do simple videos? Yep. Would you lose the FF "it" factor? Nope.

From my perspective the only thing you gain in going from 5d w/ 24-70 to a 7d w/16-35 is speed - FPS & autofocus. Your relative range is staying the same. And you lose the FF "it" that you mentioned.

I dont know - I could be rambling, but its my 2 cents anyways

automag928 wrote in post #16049334
I'm not sure the statement that a "6D doesn't solve some of the stated goals" is correct, it is more so that it doesn't excel at some of the stated goals. Is the speed a compromise? Sure, but is the 6D faster than what the OP is using now? Absolutely. Does it do simple videos? Yep. Would you lose the FF "it" factor? Nope.

From my perspective the only thing you gain in going from 5d w/ 24-70 to a 7d w/16-35 is speed - FPS & autofocus. Your relative range is staying the same. And you lose the FF "it" that you mentioned.

I dont know - I could be rambling, but its my 2 cents anyways

This.

Also, video on the 6D is still better than video on any crop sensor Canon DSLR, the 5DIII is even better though.

5D2

Why not buy a video camera? They are pretty cheap. That way, you don't have to spend a bunch of money updating your lens lineup, etc. etc. Unless you have an aversion to carrying another gadget....

iAMB wrote in post #16048535
Hi everyone. I know that many of you get a lot of these things, but here is where I am at. I currently have the 5Dc with the 24-70 Mk1. I recently used the 7D with the 16-35 and absolutely loved it. I could use any help and appreciate all of it. I am trying to keep this where I can sell my gear, and pick up new things without any extra funding


Reasons for switch:

1) Looking to get some more into some simple video that I can use for documentation purposes and my architectural studies. As well as being around family and trips.

2) 5Dc is absolutely beautiful, but I feel that I am not utilizing all that the FF has to offer.

3) Get into more sports and action shots, while still keeping as a 'street' photographer.

Concerns

1) Moving from FF to Crop will need a new lens lineup

2) Missing that FF "it" factor

3) Concern that the video does not par all that well as compared to the 5D2


I am thinking of these lenses to supplement the 7D if I go with it.

17-40mm , 16-35, or 24-105.


I could use any help and appreciate all of it. I am trying to keep this where I can sell my gear, and pick up new things without any extra funding

Your plan is sound, you've seem to have put in a lot of research, stick to it!

automag928 wrote in post #16049334
I'm not sure the statement that a "6D doesn't solve some of the stated goals" is correct, it is more so that it doesn't excel at some of the stated goals. Is the speed a compromise? Sure, but is the 6D faster than what the OP is using now? Absolutely. Does it do simple videos? Yep. Would you lose the FF "it" factor? Nope.

From my perspective the only thing you gain in going from 5d w/ 24-70 to a 7d w/16-35 is speed - FPS & autofocus. Your relative range is staying the same. And you lose the FF "it" that you mentioned.

I dont know - I could be rambling, but its my 2 cents anyways

Which plays into stated goal #3, and goal #2 shows that FF may not necessarily be what the OP needs at this point, thus the 6D doesn't meet some of the stated goals.

My comments seem very appropriate for what the OP states, not what other's opinions of how much better FF is over crop, or what the perceived shortcomings of the 7D might be.

The 7D handles these items, including #1, quite handily given a good lens selection. But then again #1 can be handled with a good point and shoot, many of them have really improved to the point they just work better than a DSLR, you only lose the selection of lenses and the creativity that might give you.

But if we are into just suggesting any camera outside the 2 mentioned in the OP and ignoring the fact there is no additional budget, then why not a 1D4 or the 1DX? We could throw in a Lotus Evora into the mix too, what better way to enjoy photography than a quick trip down the coast in a fun car?

Suggesting a 6D or a 5DIII is not what Adam wants or needs. I agree with TeamSpeed.

A 7D would be perfect for your needs, but I have to ask, why are you trying to stay with FF lenses? Why go for the 16-35 or 17-40 when there are the 17-50's available which are cheaper, cover more range, have stabilizer and are f2.8 as well?

iAMB wrote in post #16048535
Hi everyone. I know that many of you get a lot of these things, but here is where I am at. I currently have the 5Dc with the 24-70 Mk1. I recently used the 7D with the 16-35 and absolutely loved it. I could use any help and appreciate all of it. I am trying to keep this where I can sell my gear, and pick up new things without any extra funding


Reasons for switch:

1) Looking to get some more into some simple video that I can use for documentation purposes and my architectural studies. As well as being around family and trips.

2) 5Dc is absolutely beautiful, but I feel that I am not utilizing all that the FF has to offer.

3) Get into more sports and action shots, while still keeping as a 'street' photographer.

Concerns

1) Moving from FF to Crop will need a new lens lineup

2) Missing that FF "it" factor

3) Concern that the video does not par all that well as compared to the 5D2


I am thinking of these lenses to supplement the 7D if I go with it.

17-40mm , 16-35, or 24-105.


I could use any help and appreciate all of it. I am trying to keep this where I can sell my gear, and pick up new things without any extra funding

I owned the 7D before switching to a 5D/t2i combo so I'll give you my input as to why I took a step back tech-wise.

The 7D is a very solid all around camera and solution for what you describe. However It does not do street or portrait photography as well as a 5D. The files and any noticeable noise at iso 3200 and below are much easier to work with and clean up on the 5D. Skin tones from the 5D in particular are the best of any Canon dslr I have owned to date. You will also need to shoot at higher shutter speeds to compensate for the 1.6x crop factor of the 7D. Good glass is a must on a body like the 7D and anything less yields less than stellar results.

On the plus side the 7D is a very good choice for sports photography, especially with it's advanced af system. Plus, since it's a 1.6x sensor you will also have more reach using the same lens. Being able to switch back and forth from still photography to video while using the 7D can also be an advantage if the need arises while shooting.

I personally would go with buying a dedicated video camera though before planning on using the 7D for my video needs. I never really cared that much for it and I think the t2i is a suitable replacement for my video needs if needed.

OP, rent this and decide for yourself. http://www.lensrentals​.com …anon/cameras/ca​non-eos-7d

I couldn't imagine giving up a FF camera to go with a crop camera that's also old at this point. I've only fiddled with the 7D in stores, but I know the sensor is essentially the same as my old T2i and current EOS M and I can tell you there is a huge difference in the files from those and my 6D or my fathers 5Dc and 5DII.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #16049484
But if we are into just suggesting any camera outside the 2 mentioned in the OP and ignoring the fact there is no additional budget, then why not a 1D4 or the 1DX? We could throw in a Lotus Evora into the mix too, what better way to enjoy photography than a quick trip down the coast in a fun car?

I was not suggesting that to the OP at all, I was directing my comment towards your comments about the 6D recommendation Everyday made

From my perspective the OP listed 3 Concerns - the 6D addresses all of those, you would have to agree with that, true? -

iAMB wrote in post #16048535
Concerns

1) Moving from FF to Crop will need a new lens lineup
lens ranges would remain the same, no new lenses needed

2) Missing that FF "it" factor
6D = FF
3) Concern that the video does not par all that well as compared to the 5D2
6D video is at least on par with 5D2

iAMB wrote in post #16048535
Reasons for switch:


1) Looking to get some more into some simple video that I can use for documentation purposes and my architectural studies. As well as being around family and trips. 6D can handle just fine

2) 5Dc is absolutely beautiful, but I feel that I am not utilizing all that the FF has to offer.
6D is absolutely beautiful, you might utilize it more


3) Get into more sports and action shots, while still keeping as a 'street' photographer.
FPS - 6D > 5Dc

Don't get me wrong, either the 6D or 7D i think solves (obviously the 7D wins on #2) any of the OPs reason's for switching, the concerns listed I believe the 6D addresses a little better.

But I still am sticking to my guns with my original opinion in the matter -
From my perspective the only thing you gain in going from 5d w/ 24-70 to a 7d w/16-35 is speed - FPS & autofocus. Your relative range is staying the same. And you lose the FF "it" that you mentioned.

As far as the funds....ehhh there is always extra money stashed in the piggy bank, right??

I'd also like to mention I hate figuring out these html/forum quotes

I do have to say that all of you are absolutely great. I greatly appreciate all of the comments that you guys have offered. Im the type that does not always need the best and greatest, and in fact I it would still be safe to say that Im still trying to optimize the 5Dc. Currently the 24-70 is the only lens that I use.
I guess my reasoning for thinking of the 7D was the fact that it does have features that the 5D does not offer and I had the pleasure of using it for 3 weeks for documentary purposes. And to say that the 7D is now old, is also saying the 5D is a dinosaur.....but what a great dinosaur it is.

I have decided that I will hold off on this new switch. I will take the summer to fully decide if it is what I should be doing. I need to be doing some more prints from the Pixma Pro-100 that I picked up over the winter. Also, I think investing in a decent flash and another lens this year will boost my love for the 5D again.

Of course I would absolutely love the 5D III, but life and reality set in....Graduating and planning on being engaged soon. I guess I could always ask for it as a gift