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Jun 22, 2013 03:31 |  #1

Our local Stately home has a 40s series of events on at the moment. last night we went to see the Spitfire. This is a rebuild, not an original, but is lovely all the same. We are going again tomorrow when they have a flypast too. :)

Let me know what you think. :)

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Jun 22, 2013 08:19 |  #2

...but is lovely all the same.

I'm wondering why you would think that a green image would improve the look?


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Jun 22, 2013 08:39 |  #3

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I'm wondering why you would think that a green image would improve the look?

Because I like playing about with processing, and I played around with these and quite liked them. Perhaps it's not for everyone...but hey ho. That's why I asked what people thought. :)




  
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Jun 22, 2013 08:46 as a reply to  @ PhotosGuy's post |  #4

Very hard to comment on, as I am struggling to see past the PP work. The green is doing my head in, particularly green clouds, and the HDR has left flat images with bad halos and hotspots in the clouds (green fringed hotspots, to boot). The last shot has a particularly bad hotspot right over the nose of the 'plane, which is very distracting.

I suspect that there could be some nice shots under there somewhere, but it's hard to tell. If you remove the green tone and get back to the true colours, forget the HDR (maybe doing some hand blending instead, to bring the sky down) clone over the hotspots with a bit of cloud detail from elsewhere and punch up the contrast a bit, I think I would quite like them. As they stand though, they just look too unreal for my tastes.




  
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Jun 22, 2013 08:48 |  #5

OK. I could see warming the images up, as if they were taken at sunrise/sunset. I could see cooling them down, as if they were taken before sunrise, or after sunset. But an unripe Spitfire doesn't do anything for me.


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Jun 22, 2013 09:05 |  #6

sandpiper wrote in post #16054395 (external link)
Very hard to comment on, as I am struggling to see past the PP work. The green is doing my head in, particularly green clouds, and the HDR has left flat images with bad halos and hotspots in the clouds (green fringed hotspots, to boot). The last shot has a particularly bad hotspot right over the nose of the 'plane, which is very distracting.

I suspect that there could be some nice shots under there somewhere, but it's hard to tell. If you remove the green tone and get back to the true colours, forget the HDR (maybe doing some hand blending instead, to bring the sky down) clone over the hotspots with a bit of cloud detail from elsewhere and punch up the contrast a bit, I think I would quite like them. As they stand though, they just look too unreal for my tastes.

Thanks. I plan to do these again...as I said, was just playing around. There are nice shots under there I agree, but sometimes it is worth trying something different...

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OK. I could see warming the images up, as if they were taken at sunrise/sunset. I could see cooling them down, as if they were taken before sunrise, or after sunset. But an unripe Spitfire doesn't do anything for me.

Which is where we possibly differ. I agree that these may not be the best images that you or I have ever seen, but if people on stick to what everyone else sees then there will be nothing new...

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Jun 22, 2013 12:45 |  #7

Sorry but the PP does nothing for me :( I agree there are times when you can "challenge" convention but IMO it requires the right sort of subject and the PP.

The PP looks like old style film "cross processing" gone wrong ~ and cross processing could offer some interesting colour changes/colour shifts ;) I think some of the fashion shoots of Twiggy in the '60's used this methodology???


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Jun 22, 2013 13:24 |  #8

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Sorry but the PP does nothing for me :( I agree there are times when you can "challenge" convention but IMO it requires the right sort of subject and the PP.

The PP looks like old style film "cross processing" gone wrong ~ and cross processing could offer some interesting colour changes/colour shifts ;) I think some of the fashion shoots of Twiggy in the '60's used this methodology???

Thanks. Other versions of these will be forthcoming...I believe these versions are not liked very much! :)




  
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Jun 22, 2013 15:03 |  #9

Ok, some new edits...less green.
These are still HDR, but handled differently...let me know what you think of these...

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There we go...let me have it! :)



  
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Jun 22, 2013 16:37 as a reply to  @ Bend The Light's post |  #10

Much better, I really like them now they don't look so unnatural. The first one still has a slight colour issue in the sky (more magenta this time) so I prefer the b&w one, but the other two look great in colour or b&w, although I prefer the colour ones.

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Jun 22, 2013 16:47 |  #11

Sort of off topic but if it wasn't for that plane and the pilots who flew them there would be no
England today. You guys wouldn't be here posting always remember that.




  
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Jun 22, 2013 17:23 |  #12

sandpiper wrote in post #16055320 (external link)
Much better, I really like them now they don't look so unnatural. The first one still has a slight colour issue in the sky (more magenta this time) so I prefer the b&w one, but the other two look great in colour or b&w, although I prefer the colour ones.

Nice work.

Thank you. :)

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Sort of off topic but if it wasn't for that plane and the pilots who flew them there would be no
England today. You guys wouldn't be here posting always remember that.

Hmmm, partly true, I think. The Spitfire was an iconic plane and was used as a "marketing tool" by the government to raise morale. I believe (though I am willing to be corrected) that the hurricane had a better "kill rate" than the Spitfire.
It's also true that the Spitfires, Hurricanes, and the Bombers would have been useless without the efforts of many people trying to break the Enemy codes, people in all countries, but notably Poland, and of course at Bletchley Park in the UK. We owe so very much to a very talented man, Alan Turing, who was hounded to his death by the mere fact that he was homosexual. He (and others at BP) paved the way for those Spitfires to do their work...




  
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Jun 22, 2013 17:31 |  #13

Furlan wrote in post #16055341 (external link)
Sort of off topic but if it wasn't for that plane and the pilots who flew them there would be no
England today. You guys wouldn't be here posting always remember that.

It is a bit simplistic putting all the glory on the Spitfire and it's pilots. there were many contributing factors to winning the war, and many machines and other services that were involved.

The time when England was most at risk of invasion, during the Battle of Britain, the Spitfire's role wasn't as great as many people think as there still weren't that many in service. The Hurricane was responsible for shooting down far more enemy aircraft than the Spitfire during those few weeks, due to it's much greater numbers.

Overall, Hitler would have had no trouble invading England a couple of years later, if it hadn't been for the Russians tying up the majority of the German forces on the Eastern Front. It is often ignored that the huge majority of German losses in WW2 were to the Russians (some 75% or more) and that if all those German troops had been available to fight the British, American, Canadian (etc) forces in the west, the war would have ended very differently.

I am not putting down the role of the RAF pilots in WW2, or that of the Spitfire, they played a very important part. I just don't feel that our victory can be placed squarely on that aircraft. There were many capable aircraft in the hands of allied pilots and I don't think it can be said that without the Spitfire, we would have lost. I do believe that, without "The Few" RAF pilots in the Battle of Britain, England would likely have been invaded in 1940 however.

Overall though, Hitler's plans for European (and world) domination were foiled by brave people from many countries, using a varied range of weapons. We owe them ALL a great debt.




  
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Jun 22, 2013 23:58 as a reply to  @ sandpiper's post |  #14

How about this?

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Jun 23, 2013 02:34 |  #15

Yes, I quite like that, and it was the first editing idea I had. I decided initially to not do it like that, trying to be different.
It does work well though. :)




  
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