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200mm f/2 L IS Review (with 2x Extender III)

 
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Jun 29, 2013 21:33 |  #1
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***Please click on each image to see the full size version. For comparison shots, I suggest opening both images separately and switching between the browser tabs***

After getting my 200L F/2 IS couple weeks ago, I have finally found time to do a proper review. With a wife and a kid and a very demanding full time job (which is not photography!), doing things like this gets extremely difficult as most of you can understand.

That being said, my objective with this review is to share as much information as I can. The purpose of this thread is to help any prospective buyers of this lens. Coming from the 70-200 2.8 IS II, when I started researching a few months back, I realized how little information was out there in terms of comparing the prime to the zoom. I spent weeks going over and over the same forum posts and a handful of reviews. I finally came here - POTN forums for advice, which I'm sure many of you are aware now, and thanks to lots of you, I was able to learn a lot more about this lens.

As there is a 8 picture per post limitation in the forum, I am going to have to make several posts in the same thread, I apologize for that in advance.

I am going to go ahead and skip the standard intro as every review of this lens talks about its sheer size, weight, and how amazing it is. Every single word you read in all of those reviews are absolutely true. I just want to add though, reading it is one thing but then seeing it with your own eyes is something else. The lens is big, you remember the day you bought your 70-200 IS II and how it made all other lenses you have look like little toys? Well I got news for you, this one makes the zoom look like a little toy as well!

I have a black rapid sport strap and carrying this lens is not a problem. I was at the beach the other weekend and had the lens around my neck for 3 hours at a stretch without any issues. One thing though, after using this lens, you won't ever care about the weight or size of the zoom.

The image quality is in a league of its own. 2.0 aperture at 200mm is something that no words can express. Subject isolation is a non issue, bokeh is unbelievable. In terms of DOF/bokeh/portraiture, this lens is like 85L II on stereoids. It's so sharp, and it is so corner to corner, Canon has done an amazing job!

The IS on this lens is simply amazing. 5 stops is a lot and I can hand hold this lens at shutter speeds at or below 1/15. The zoom has an amazing IS unit as well and I cannot tell which one is better, this isn't something I tested (but now that I think about it, I may test that as well in the near future).

Anyways, first things first, here are some pictures from the day I got it from Mr UPS!

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The packaging of the lens is something to mention. Everything is so well thought of. The case is very professional and sturdy. It does come with keys - not that it will be impossible to open if someone finds it on the corner of the road unattended!

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Sorry for the quality of the test subjects - it was over 90 degrees outside and I was sweating like hell, I pretty much did what I could.

Next thing I want to talk about is how the prime compares against the zoom.

200 F/2.0 IS vs 70-200 2.8 IS II

I know this particular topic became a very hot debate in the other thread and I wanted to start fresh here and do a proper comparison (to the best of my abilities). Before we get to the pictures below, my personal view is that zoom is an amazing lens, very versatile, and extremely high quality. It focuses fast, IS is whisper quiet, and it is very sharp. That being said, there is always something better and the prime is just that. The bokeh is something else, focus is much faster, F2.0 does wonders, and lastly the prime is a lot sharper, especially around the corners. It outresolves the zoom. The color palette is different and contrast is different. I know there is copy to copy variation in the zoom a lot, all I can say is I tried 3 copies last year and did an enormous amount of testing before settling on the final copy. I believe if someone tells me there is a better copy out there, but this is what I have and generally speaking, most people in general public will have somewhat similar quality. I still love my zoom and I will use it and not sell it, but I will grab the prime every time I can. The only time I would pick zoom over prime is if I cannot afford to lose a shot OR that I am just taking pictures and not want to worry about creativity.

One important note is that I chose not to compare bokeh as I'm sure that there'd be no contest there in terms of who would be the winner, one of the biggest reasons to get prime over zoom is the cream bokeh and 2.0 aperture. The tests below do not address anything but sharpness and contrast.

All of the below shots were taken with tripod, manual exposure, manual focusing using live view, and with a remote controller so that the shutter does not cause camera shake. I spent hours, most of the time repating a sequence, doing this and I am hoping that it will help someone in the future. I am also hoping to set the record straight with the zoom vs prime argument.

First things first, here is the focus comparison between the two lenses. This is to prove that I do NOT have a bad lens and that it focuses fine! So stop saying I don't know how to focus or I need to micro adjust my lens.

Going forward prime is always the first picture and zoom follows after that

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Now that we got the focusing out of the way, here are the comparison shots. Please remember that I am only posting the 100% crops in each section (Center, bottom, left, right).

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2x Extender III Performance

Next is the extender review. I tried 1.4x and it was amazing with the prime. That being said, comparing 280mm to 200mm, I didn't see much of a difference - to me 80mm wasn't worth $450, so I went with 2x instead.

One thing I would like to emphasize is that there are a lot of threads and reviews that state 2x extender performance is unacceptable, the AF is slow, and so on. I took a leap of faith and ignored all of that, simply because of the fact that MK3 extenders were optimized with the new IS II telephoto primes. I know that 200L is not considered a "II" lens, but if you actually think about it, it is in the same generation. It shares pretty much every single feature with the 300 & 400 series Mk2 primes except the Mode 3 IS. In addition, even the TDP charts verifies this claim, you can compare the Mk2 and Mk3 2x on a 200L there and the difference is very noticeable. Anyways, below are the 2x Extender shots comparing prime against the zoom. You can see there is even a bigger difference between the two. I have used both of them back to back outdoors and the zoom is not very usable with the extender. It's focus is extremely slow (I'd say focuses as much as 2x slower to infinity) and image quality is really below acceptable levels. You have to step it down to F7.1 to get decent images, but even then they are nowhere near as good as the prime. Another thing I noticed is, with prime, if you stop it down to all the way to F11, you see constant improvement in each aperture, with zoom, that improvement ends at F7.1 and it starts getting worse at F11. After the comparison shots, I am also adding some other random pictures I took today with the extender, so you can see how it performs.

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Overall, this is an amazing lens. I don't regret just one bit getting it, I regret not getting it earlier. Zoom has its place, but as with all other primes, this lens will most likely produce the "wow" shots that will end up on a wall as a large print. This isn't to say that zoom cannot produce large prints, of course it can, but after owning the prime, it's hard to go back to the zoom, unless it's a must/necessity, which, in my view, is what a zoom lens is all about.

There are a lot of complaints about the negative sides of these heavy telephoto primes. The hood is one, and yes it's big and bulky, but I would never take it off. For starters it protects the lens, it's made of carbon fiber, and it's extremely durable. The benefits of keeping the hood to reduce flare is something that everyone already knows about so no point of mentioning again. Next is the pouch thing. All I can say is, it's not that bad. I have gotten used to it. The lens, with the hood attached, is a lot shorter than 300 Mk2, now that one may be a difficult to carry around your neck with the hood attached, but the 200mm is not so bad. To clarify, 200L comes with the pouch that is used in the new 300 & 400 Mk2 primes, NOT the leather one that is used in the older versions.

The only complaint I have with this lens, and it's very tiny, is the IS is a little louder than the zoom. I have tested the 300 2.8 II as well and it sounded the same, maybe a little quieter. So I'm guessing it's because of the heavy glass involved - most likely the IS unit is a lot more complicated and heavy duty.

If you have any questions or would like to me to try something out for you, please feel free to post here or PM me, I'll be more than happy to assist!

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Jun 30, 2013 00:29 |  #8

your pics are too big:
https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=74718


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Jun 30, 2013 05:38 as a reply to  @ DreDaze's post |  #9

200L comes with the pouch that is used in the new 300 & 400 Mk2 primes, NOT the leather one that is used in the older versions.

Only the new ones. I bought mine in February 2010 and it still had the "elephant condom".




  
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I thought they were small enough. I cropped each picture and there are a lot of them, just cannot go back and measure each pixel right now:(




  
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Jun 30, 2013 10:36 |  #11

TheLensGuy wrote in post #16077528 (external link)
I thought they were small enough. I cropped each picture and there are a lot of them, just cannot go back and measure each pixel right now:(


Then remove your links until you can. They are far too large.


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Jun 30, 2013 12:23 |  #12

TheLensGuy wrote in post #16077528 (external link)
I thought they were small enough. I cropped each picture and there are a lot of them, just cannot go back and measure each pixel right now:(

if you're using lightroom, check "resize to fit" and then select "long edge" from the drop down menu, then set it to 1024 pixels, then export.

if you're using adobe image processor(from photoshop, go file > scripts > image processor), check "save as jpeg", check "resize to fit", set quality to 12, and then put 1024 under H and 1024 under H.


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Jun 30, 2013 12:51 |  #13

This is a great comparison LensGuy, thanks for taking the time to do this. The 200 f/2 is really an amazing lens. IQ is absolutely superb and this lens is the clear winner among the two...not that this was much of a surprise to me.

It's easier to tell the difference between the two lenses when you look at the focus charts, than when you look at the "real world" picture crops that you posted above. I'd imagine in a "normal" picture you'd be hard pressed to see any sort of difference between the two...thus highlighting how great the 70-200MKII really is, especially when put up against a $6000 prime lens.

P.S. You def should resize the images, but maybe provide links to the larger sized images...otherwise you might risk having the images deleted and this comparison will be useful to others that come across this.


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I am working on re-sizing the images, I have a 30" monitor so I haven't realized how big they were until I saw this thread on my mac book air - I apologize!




  
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Jun 30, 2013 14:11 |  #15

TheLensGuy wrote in post #16078249 (external link)
I am working on re-sizing the images, I have a 30" monitor so I haven't realized how big they were until I saw this thread on my mac book air - I apologize!

It's not the size on different monitors that matters, it's just that you have to follow the forum rule


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