Canon EOS 70D officially announced!

gabebalazs wrote in post #16271244
This is not from a discussion, but Roger Cicala's (Lensrentals) article actually mostly confirms it.

Here

Search for 70D gets no matches.

hollis_f wrote in post #16271266
Search for 70D gets no matches.

The discussion was about the 7D, I was replying to the poster before me and I was referring to the 7D, having the highest (worst) SD of all cameras tested, including Rebels in that article. That performance does not seem to be hard to surpass...
Don't get me wrong, I do own and like a 7D.

jrbdmb wrote in post #16270606
Links please? I was not able to find these discussions that you speak of.

http://www.canonrumors​.com/forum/index.php?t​opic=16740.0

Canon_Lover wrote in post #16270474
I've been reading on other forums from people who shoot both 7D and 70D who say the 70D is much better in accuracy and speed with the modes it does have.

That could easily be the case, and if it is the case then that's excellent!

I'd strongly prefer to see progress on this front as well. The more advantages the 70D has over the 7D, the better.

Why?

Because for one thing, it makes the 70D that much better a deal. And for another, it means the 7D2 will be even better.

Either way, we all win!


The 7D will always have a special place in my heart, though, simply because it's such an incredibly good overall package.

That could be the case. All I can tell you is that I use both of those modes quite a lot (especially spot focus mode).

There seem to be some people that have had enormous problems with it, and others (like myself) who haven't. I have no idea what explains the difference.

In my case, the 7D was the first Canon camera I'd run across that was able to tame the Canon 50 f/1.8. I have every reason to believe that the 70D will be similar in that regard.

gabebalazs wrote in post #16271436
The discussion was about the 7D, I was replying to the poster before me and I was referring to the 7D, having the highest (worst) SD of all cameras tested, including Rebels in that article. That performance does not seem to be hard to surpass...
Don't get me wrong, I do own and like a 7D.

But then everyone is saying that the 70D has inherited the AF system of the 7D. Unless/until Roger tests it we don't really know if the 70D is better.

User reports are useful but there can also be a bit of bias - the new camera I just paid $1200 for must be better, right?

NeonStar wrote in post #16269389
AI Servo is standard and it's for any focus mode. It's for when your subject or you are moving back and forth it will track the focus

Not at all what was being requested... the question wasn't about AI servo in general, but a macro special mode. For example...

Is everyone who owns a 7D now afraid that their camera is now no longer useful or capable of taking great images? The 70D may be better than the 7D in some regard. Or i might be better than the 7D in every regard. That doesn't suddenly make the 7D a bad or worthless camera. Will the used prices of the 7D go down? Maybe. But how far have the prices of the 60D fallen?

Either way...what it does mean, is, that the 7D2 better be serious or it will never sell.

I've been using the 70D for almost 2 weeks now give or take. I can tell you straight up its not better than the aged 7D. It's just different and in several key areas. You know no camera manuf. will ever give you everthing you need/want in a single body. That is law (and why I and so many many others own several bodies). You have to decide what is important to you first NOT after you purchase. For some having two card slots is critical....

MedicineMan4040 wrote in post #16271977
For some having two card slots is critical....

And since the 2nd slot on the 5D3 is crippled beyond practical use, you pretty much need a 1 series camera if you are staying Canon.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #16271912
Not at all what was being requested... the question wasn't about AI servo in general, but a macro special mode. For example...

Thanks TS, that's exactly what I was referring to. I tried to find some details (not too hard though) and failed.

I've had a quick play with the 70D and the live view is so impressive that I wouldn't be at all surprised if it became the preferred shooting method for many people. I also wouldn't be at all surprised to see many more people taking videos with their SLR...even people who currently can't imagine that they ever would.

It certainly seems to bode for an interesting future.

jrbdmb wrote in post #16271901
But then everyone is saying that the 70D has inherited the AF system of the 7D. Unless/until Roger tests it we don't really know if the 70D is better.

User reports are useful but there can also be a bit of bias - the new camera I just paid $1200 for must be better, right?

That's true.
However, there have been quite a few users here (and elsewhere) who were less than satisfied with the 7D's AF accuracy. Too many OOF shots without any apparent reason. My first 7D was like that too. My second one (a refurbished unit I bought 2 years ago) has been much better. And while some of these OOF shots were contributable to user error, there was definitely a (relatively) large number of 7Ds that had AF problems even in experienced hands (such as myself). My 6D and my wife's T4i are at least as accurate in one shot AF mode as my 7D, although the 7D is probably better at tracking, and the various AF modes (zone, expansion etc.) are very very useful.
Anyway, we'll see how the 70D performs in the AF department.

A poll with over 200 inputs (obviously cannot be used to base any conclusions, but the comments were interesting), about a 10% AF issue rate.

https://photography-on-the.net …1116318&highlig​ht=7d+poll

TeamSpeed wrote in post #16272642
A poll with over 200 inputs (obviously cannot be used to base any conclusions, but the comments were interesting), about a 10% AF issue rate.

https://photography-on-the.net …1116318&highlig​ht=7d+poll

That's interesting. I wonder how much of that was due to people not understanding the autofocus system. In particular the way the AF sensors extend outside the boxes. Also the way the AF system locks onto contrasty areas which are not necessarily where you think they are.

I had issues with AF accuracy in one shot which I suspect was wholly due to my technique and/or sone of the above. I changed to using Back Button Focusing and AI servo almost exclusively and couldn't be happier.

Postings like the above do make me wonder if the problem was me or the camera...my money's still on me!

ptcanon3ti wrote in post #16271952
Is everyone who owns a 7D now afraid that their camera is now no longer useful or capable of taking great images? The 70D may be better than the 7D in some regard. Or i might be better than the 7D in every regard. That doesn't suddenly make the 7D a bad or worthless camera. Will the used prices of the 7D go down? Maybe. But how far have the prices of the 60D fallen?

Either way...what it does mean, is, that the 7D2 better be serious or it will never sell.

And if the 70D is indeed better than the 7D in every single category, why would it even matter at the end? The 70D is newer so it shouldn't surprise anybody that it may perform better or have better features.

Varago wrote in post #16269157
I picked up my 7D on Spet 30 2009 and have loved it every day. Last Tuesday I received my 70D and its very nice. The touch screen is VERY nice Anytime I use a tripod I use LV and there is no comparison between the two, the 70D is hands down the better camera in LV. If you shoot jpg then the 70D is better then the 7D, with ME, HDR and "Multi Shot Noise Reduction" and a kickass jpg engine.

Did I mention the touch screen, its awesome. I find myself using it more and more. It makes the Q button much nicer to use.

The buffer is smaller then the 7D, I could get 28 frames with the 7D and 18 with the 70D with FAST cards. The 7D cleared the buffer in a little over 6 sec with the 70 at a bit over 9 sec.
I cant tell the difference between the two at focus speed but the 70D seems to have a bit better hit rate(not tested).

The shutter on the 70D is rated at 100k

Where did you read that the 70D's shutter is rated for 100,000 actuations?