Canon EOS 70D officially announced!

Here it is again. Pro's vs. Hobbyists vs. Consumers on this site.

These 3 markets have 3 totally different opinions.

It is pretty clear from Canon's line up that they consider these markets and design the best camera for each market.

I can appreciate how a true Pro would look at the 70D as not enough. And I can see how a new consumer would say it is more than they would need. And for some of us, it is just what we want.

I just want the camera that links up wirelessly to my cerebrum and it produces image files exactly as I intend as I look over scenery or people or events. I doubt they will ever make that though. I just want to "think" my photos.

This way I never have another moment where I look at a scene, I take some pics, and then when I review the images later, they are nothing like I thought they would be in my mind's eye, so I delete them. They would be exactly as I envisioned it.

On the swivel screen thing, one of the most robust feeling cameras I ever handled was Olympus' top end 4/3 Pro SLR, And that had a swivel screen.... E-5 i think it was...

The 70D is NOT a pro-level camera however... Wait for the 7DII... the 70D probubly has other disadvantages for someone looking to replace their 7D (I would wager that despite doing 7fps it probubly isnt going to maintain a burst the way the 7D can..and the viewfinder isnt as good either id bet.. not to mention the ergonomics are still the 60D/6D which i majorly dislike)

The things I want from the 70D are sure to be in the 7DII...

TeamSpeed wrote in post #16084928
I just want the camera that links up wirelessly to my cerebrum and it produces image files exactly as I intend as I look over scenery or people or events. I doubt they will ever make that though. I just want to "think" my photos.

This way I never have another moment where I look at a scene, I take some pics, and then when I review the images later, they are nothing like I thought they would be in my mind's eye, so I delete them. They would be exactly as I envisioned it.

I want the camera to be linked directly to my cerebrum because it replaces one or both of my eyeballs, and allows me to record and replay every single thing I can see. I fact, I would want multiple sensors mounted to my exoskeleton so that I could observe in all directions. And a wifi-like link to the other members of the hive so that I can review and process the data they gather. Perhaps to help in all this data gathering an offboard neural net that we all connect to. Plus the ability to sense all wavelengths, from radio to x-ray. And body parts that don't wear out.

Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated!

Yeah, I just wanna be a Borg. Locutus, mark II (with advanced AF system).





shinksma

KenjiS wrote in post #16084953
(I would wager that despite doing 7fps it probubly isnt going to maintain a burst the way the 7D can..

You win that wager, 16 raw buffer for the 70D as compared to 24 for the 7D.

jocau wrote in post #16084739
Well, I still think that it's the weakest link of the camera and it also kills a bit of the looks of the camera imo. I simply don't fully trust the durability of it (even though I'm very careful with my camera related stuff). But the fact that it's the weakest link and that it can get damaged easier than the other camera parts, gives me a somewhat unpleasant feeling.

Indeed, I don't use CA and green box modes. However I did use such modes exclusively on my previous camera (Powershot A40), but made sure I had enough knowledge before buying my 550D so I could totally ignore these modes.

And why shouldn't I have the right to prefer a fixed screen instead of a swivel screen? I gave you my, in my opinion valid, reasons. You can also look at it the other way around. Because you and some other people want a swivel screen, Canon should ignore the people who want a fixed screen? Hell, using a fixed screen would even make the camera cheaper.

petty issue

nothing a little duct tape couldnt fix

TeamSpeed wrote in post #16084513
The Mfn cycles through the different AF modes, from spot AF to single point to single+expansion to zone, etc. This sounds identical to what you had posted. Perhaps the only difference is that you no longer have to first hit the rear AF point selection button.

hollis_f wrote in post #16084553
Hot diggedy dog! I never knewed that! I've always changed AF mode using the Q button.

You actually didn't know something about one of your cameras? Get outta here! No serious--get out. I'm genuinely surprised though, for real.

FEChariot wrote in post #16084592
holy cow. The Q button is a button that only gets pushed if I bump it accidently.

There's a Q button? In all seriousness though, Hollis makes it sound like it's configurable, and since it's currently useless for me I need to go dig up the manual to figure out how to put it to work.

KenjiS wrote in post #16084953
On the swivel screen thing, one of the most robust feeling cameras I ever handled was Olympus' top end 4/3 Pro SLR, And that had a swivel screen.... E-5 i think it was...

The 70D is NOT a pro-level camera however... Wait for the 7DII... the 70D probubly has other disadvantages for someone looking to replace their 7D (I would wager that despite doing 7fps it probubly isnt going to maintain a burst the way the 7D can..and the viewfinder isnt as good either id bet.. not to mention the ergonomics are still the 60D/6D which i majorly dislike)

The things I want from the 70D are sure to be in the 7DII...

i feel like you're not going to like the ergonomics on a potential 7D II...it seems as if they're going against what you like...

hollis_f wrote in post #16084969
You win that wager, 16 raw buffer for the 70D as compared to 24 for the 7D.

Id further guess that the 7D can empty said buffer quicker, due to the dual processors, and wont grind to a complete stop when the buffer is full..I know the 7D sticks at roughly 5fps with a full buffer

But hey thats just speculation, and it doesnt make the 70D any less of a nice camera (I actually quite like it, But I know i dislike the ergonomics which would drive me nuts) Probubly makes it a better general purpose DSLR (as its lighter than the 7D) Could i deal with the speed hit/lower buffer? Maybe... I like my 8fps for moments when frankly things are just moving too much, but i only need fast bursts 99% of the time, not the endurance...

TeamSpeed wrote in post #16084890
Let's not get into that whole topic of amateur, prosumer, consumer, professional, etc. There is no good end to that entire debate. That ends up being worse than the FF vs crop discussions.

My point being is that when someone posts an opinion their use changes where their opinion comes from. A lot of time on the forum someone posts something an they are just plain 'wrong'.

I love the specs. I would love to buy one.

mpix345 wrote in post #16084878
And Canon makes "Pro" cameras because they understand what you are talking about. The 70D is not a pro camera. What is so hard to understand?

The XXD line is a "Pro-Sumer" camera line up. At least it used to be in my opinion. They offered pro like featured into a nice crop camera. I shot for years on a pair of 40Ds and still believe that is one of the best cameras that Canon made. Look at what it had inside that body... the 60D changed that line up and the "Sumer" part of the XXD line took over IMO.

Keyan wrote in post #16084873
Impressive. And clearly the XXD line (as Canon has made it since the 60D) is not targeted towards or designed for this type of use. If you want that kind of rugged use, you get to pay for the higher end bodies that are designed for it.

That said, I've used my 60D quite a bit, taken it on several trips, and it has held up well. I won't claim to have exposed it to the conditions you have exposed your cameras to - I know it's not designed for that. Also the D-pad is just fine. It's an 8 way selector with a button in the middle. The mini joystick is..an 8 way selector with a button in the middle. Personally I don't have a problem with it, and I have been using the camera for over 2 years. How long have you used a d-pad to see if it is really that bad?

Agreed. And that is my 'gripe' I guess. Was hoping after the 60D they would return back. A lot of the 7D reviews said this is what we thought the 60D would have been. Instead a new line up. I think you are right and maybe the XXD line up is no longer for some people.

Long story short for my use with the 60D. I had a 5D MKII, 7D and 60D. 60D uses the same sensor so figure I'd use my big glass on that and use the 7D with my 70-200. Well on paper that would be great but track side it's too difficult to go back and forth. Left me frustrated. So the idea of saving some coin and putting that towards my business/more glass ended up meaning I just needed a second 7D.

One event. 3 Day event. So ~24 hours of shooting over 3 day. Thousands of photos. IQ was great. No complaints there at all. Even with it's less than the 7D focusing system and harsh/difficult conditions it worked well. Just can't get over the controls.

60D:

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DreDaze wrote in post #16084997
i feel like you're not going to like the ergonomics on a potential 7D II...it seems as if they're going against what you like...

Nah, the 6D and 70D are still "prosumer" or high end consumer cameras, and follow the high end consumer design language...

the 7D II would be a Pro-level camera and would have similar ergonomics to the 5DIII and that... Which im perfectly happy with..

Either that or maybe the 70D improved the feel of the joypad, Wont know till i hold one

The 7D II, if/when it finally lands, is going to probably be $1700-1800 just for the body. That is just more than I am willing to spend for what I need a camera for. I'd rather spend the difference on a 10-22 or something.

^^well good news for you is, the 7D will probably be pretty cheap in a few months...and it has the controls you like

DreDaze wrote in post #16085015
^^well good news for you is, the 7D will probably be pretty cheap in a few months...and it has the controls you like

So i should pick up spares? I've been a happy 7D shooter for 4 years now.. I can wait to see what a 7DII brings to the table or save up to nab myself a 5DIII

Maybe i can find one with the locking mode dial, Nothing more aggrivating than pulling my 7D out for a quick snap and find the dial is on bulb mode or manual