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Why does 14L 2.8 II not get great reviews?

 
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Jul 02, 2013 18:31 |  #1
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I was just reading up on this lens and saw a lot of comments in forums and review boards about how it's so soft until at least 5.6. Is it true? It's Canon's most expensive wide lens no? Am I missing something?




  
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Jul 03, 2013 01:00 |  #2

TheLensGuy wrote in post #16085602 (external link)
I was just reading up on this lens and saw a lot of comments in forums and review boards about how it's so soft until at least 5.6. Is it true? It's Canon's most expensive wide lens no? Am I missing something?


I had this lens for rental once, and honestly I was never disappointed by it's sharpness. It has fantastic IQ. Then again I never used it wide open and I did not do that much extensive testing...

This is pure speculation from my part, but I think this lens has achieved limited success regarding it's popularity, because this lens might be the most overpriced Canon L lens in the whole lineup. Samyang 14mm has been stealing it's thunder for quite a few years for achieving basicly the same image quality for 1/5 of the price, despite it's own problems like more distortion and some QC-problems.

I would probably not consider this Canon due to it's huge price tag, and even if I would, I would probably get the even better and sharper Zeiss Distagon 15mm f/2.8 for few hundred dollars more. The ability to mount filters on the Zeiss would be kinda huge for me (plus Zeiss rendering ;)).


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Jul 03, 2013 01:11 |  #3

TheLensGuy wrote in post #16085602 (external link)
I was just reading up on this lens and saw a lot of comments in forums and review boards about how it's so soft until at least 5.6. Is it true? It's Canon's most expensive wide lens no? Am I missing something?

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Jul 03, 2013 01:17 |  #4

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I had this lens for rental once, and honestly I was never disappointed by it's sharpness. It has fantastic IQ. Then again I never used it wide open and I did not do that much extensive testing...

This is pure speculation from my part, but I think this lens has achieved limited success regarding it's popularity, because this lens might be the most overpriced Canon L lens in the whole lineup. Samyang 14mm has been stealing it's thunder for quite a few years for achieving basicly the same image quality for 1/5 of the price, despite it's own problems like more distortion and some QC-problems.

I would probably not consider this Canon due to it's huge price tag, and even if I would, I would probably get the even better and sharper Zeiss Distagon 15mm f/2.8 for few hundred dollars more. The ability to mount filters on the Zeiss would be kinda huge for me (plus Zeiss rendering ;)).

Im still looking for an example that defines what this is. I dont think zeiss is anything terribly special, at least not any more special than other offerings in their photographic markets.

The 14mm L is very expensive, and very special use.


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Jul 03, 2013 02:03 |  #5

TheLensGuy wrote in post #16085602 (external link)
I was just reading up on this lens and saw a lot of comments in forums and review boards about how it's so soft until at least 5.6.

Do they really say that it's soft until f/5.6 or is it more likely that it sharpens up until f/5.6? MTF50 figures for the corners at f/2.8 are certainly ahead of what could be considered "soft" for an ultra-wide angle lens and it's hardly fair to put it up against a decent 100mm macro lens or telephoto when doing a comparison.

I had the MkI and MkII and sold the latter after getting the 15mm Distagon. The Distagon has less CA and, the big benefit for me, the ability to pop filters on the front.

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Jul 03, 2013 02:49 |  #6

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Im still looking for an example that defines what this is. I dont think zeiss is anything terribly special, at least not any more special than other offerings in their photographic markets.

The 14mm L is very expensive, and very special use.

There are hundreds and thousands of examples in Flickr and Lens sample thread. It is simply matter of taste, Zeiss lenses have quite different color reproduction than Canons and everyone can make their own opinion which one they prefer more. Plus I really love their build quality and manual focus feeling. Since lack of autofocus is less of a problem with wide-angle lenses anyway...

Zeiss 15mm f/2.8 is also a very special lens which most people will never be able to afford. Also it seems quite rare in Canon camp, and much much more popular with Nikons. Perhaps because it's such an awesome lens coupled with the D800/D800E, approaching medium format quality :)...


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Jul 03, 2013 07:24 as a reply to  @ Tmuussoni's post |  #7
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Soft till 5.6..really? Not sure where you saw this but I have to disagree. This lens is everything I hoped it would be and then some. I know this is purely anecdotal, but I never question whether I should have purchased this lens or some other.


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Jul 03, 2013 07:39 |  #8
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I think its soft on the corners, center is sharp, so that's a small clarification. If you look at the Canon USA's own reviews, this lens probably got one of the lowest review points of all the expensive L glass. It also has a lot of negative reviews in Amazon.




  
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Jul 03, 2013 07:51 |  #9
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TheLensGuy wrote in post #16086917 (external link)
I think its soft on the corners, center is sharp, so that's a small clarification. If you look at the Canon USA's own reviews, this lens probably got one of the lowest review points of all the expensive L glass. It also has a lot of negative reviews in Amazon.

Not worth a comment...???


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Jul 03, 2013 08:35 |  #10

TheLensGuy wrote in post #16086917 (external link)
I think its soft on the corners, center is sharp, so that's a small clarification. If you look at the Canon USA's own reviews, this lens probably got one of the lowest review points of all the expensive L glass. It also has a lot of negative reviews in Amazon.

The 14/2.8LMkII MTF50 figures (Photozone) for the corners (wide open) are equal to the 135/2L (at f/2) and better than the 85/1.2L (< f/2.8). On that basis, describing the corners as soft really only highlights people's unrealistic expectations. All this for a lens with AF and a focal length less than 1/3 of the register distance.

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Jul 03, 2013 08:44 |  #11
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TheLensGuy wrote in post #16086917 (external link)
It also has a lot of negative reviews in Amazon.

Just checked Amazon...1 negative review is alot? I suppose you'd put this lens in the same category as that junky new Sigma 35 1.4 Art lens that you love to ridicule? What's up dude?


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Just checked Amazon...1 negative review is alot? I suppose you'd put this lens in the same category as that junky new Sigma 35 1.4 Art lens that you love to ridicule? What's up dude?

"Dude"?

Take it easy...

I looked at this : http://www.usa.canon.c​om …eup/ef_14mm_f_2​_8l_ii_usm (external link) and saw 3.9 stars. I also googled "14L 2.8 II soft corners" and got a bunch of hits, and came back and posted my question here. Was just curious that's all.

Sorry, didn't mean to mess with the Canon cult.




  
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Jul 03, 2013 08:57 |  #13

I have one. It can take photos that no other lens in the Canon lens range can take - which puts it in the same category as the Canon 1200mm I guess...:D

But it's very overpriced.


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TheLensGuy wrote in post #16087083 (external link)
"Dude"?

Sorry, but after some of the "stuff" you've posted lately on both this lens and the Sigma I think it fits perfectly...have you been bored recently?


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Jul 03, 2013 09:22 |  #15

The 14L 2.8 II has coma and chromatic aberration in the corners if used wide open BUT benefits a lot from the DLO module in DPP. Its night and day when you switch this on (thats true for many lenses!). So give it a try. If the lens is worth its money that is much harder to answer... I like it a lot.


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