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Jul 28, 2013 21:22 |  #46

kin2son wrote in post #16162091 (external link)
OP if that's how one has to adapt to shoot, I wouldn't go any faster than f2.8...

You might as well sell your lenses and sticks with a zoom then...

pathetic.


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Jul 28, 2013 21:25 |  #47

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Thanks. I assume center point for these?

yes, all center. The outer points are just as reliable as the 5D/5Dii .........

center seems notably better than 5D center. After I took those shots, I was in utter shock that they were all in focus. I just dont remember either 5D's handling so well at wide apertures.


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Jul 28, 2013 21:28 |  #48
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hes gone wrote in post #16162144 (external link)
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Not as pathetic as your samples.

Learn to expose properly.


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Jul 28, 2013 21:32 |  #49
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Charlie wrote in post #16162152 (external link)
yes, all center. The outer points are just as reliable as the 5D/5Dii .........

center seems notably better than 5D center. After I took those shots, I was in utter shock that they were all in focus. I just dont remember either 5D's handling so well at wide apertures.

So I assume you aimed at your daughter's shirt then?

Even at small size, I can clearly tell that her face is oof, especially the last 1-2 photos in your sequence.

Tbh all the examples posted so far isn't helping 6D's case in any shape or form....it's merely providing workarounds which don't work very well I'm afraid.

Here's some example from me -

f1.4, Sigma 85 with minimum crop? Can't remember exactly which AF point I used, but it's definitely NOT center as I never ever use it anymore.

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f1.4, Sigma 85, and we all know how hard it is to capture kids on swing...focus might not be bang on, but I'll take it as it's f1.4 :p
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Jul 28, 2013 21:36 |  #50

Charlie wrote in post #16162152 (external link)
yes, all center. The outer points are just as reliable as the 5D/5Dii .........

center seems notably better than 5D center. After I took those shots, I was in utter shock that they were all in focus. I just dont remember either 5D's handling so well at wide apertures.

Agree. Center point is real good as it has better specs than any other canon camera (not sure about 1dx).


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Jul 28, 2013 21:40 |  #51

kin2son wrote in post #16162165 (external link)
So I assume you aimed at your daughter's shirt then?

Even at small size, I can clearly tell that her face is oof, especially the last 1-2 photos in your sequence.

Tbh all the examples posted so far isn't helping 6D's case in any shape or form....it's merely providing workarounds which don't work very well I'm afraid.

yes, all aimed at her shirt, and they're actually pretty on point..... it's just that the 50L is kinda soft.........

first two are dead on, and the last one is a tad off, outside of eyebrows are in focus, eyes just starting to get out of focus.

that's still very good considering working @ 1.4 with my fast daughter.


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Jul 28, 2013 21:43 |  #52
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Charlie wrote in post #16162180 (external link)
yes, all aimed at her shirt, and they're actually pretty on point..... it's just that the 50L is kinda soft.........

first two are dead on, and the last one is a tad off, outside of eyebrows are in focus, eyes just starting to get out of focus.

that's still very good considering working @ 1.4 with my fast daughter.

Definitely, I know exactly what you mean as I have a lil active one myself ;)

I'm quite reluntant to shoot f1.4 often as well, and only do it once in a while....it's just very risky.


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Jul 28, 2013 21:44 |  #53

I was surprised when I nailed this one with sigma 85mm f1.4 @f1.4 using outer AF points and I think I was in AI servo. I usually shoot at f2 but camera was set to f1.4 when I picked it.

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Jul 28, 2013 21:46 |  #54

kin2son wrote in post #16162157 (external link)
Not as pathetic as your samples.

Learn to expose properly.

LOL

the guy asked for them, so i posted them. a hell of a lot more than you've done.

you have offered exactly nothing of substance in this thread, and resorted to strictly criticism of others who have been offering help to the original poster.

should i assume you did go to a DOF calculator and found that my shot at 105 had similar DOF than the shot in quesiton at 35?

is that why you resorted to a personal attack on my methods?

again, pathetic.


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Jul 28, 2013 21:48 |  #55

Guys we all grown up, so please watch the words we say. Thanks.

Just looking for AF examples, other things don't matter. Lot of these are just test shots to see things.


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Jul 28, 2013 21:49 |  #56
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hes gone wrote in post #16162193 (external link)
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is that why you resorted to a personal attack on my methods?

again, pathetic.

???

How was that a personal attack? It was merely a suggestion to OP as your method is guaranteed to yield low keepers?

fyi calling someone pathetic is a personal attack, and guess who use that word first?


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Jul 28, 2013 22:04 |  #57

kin2son wrote in post #16162019 (external link)
f4 as expected....

You clearly have no idea of the whole situation.

kin2son wrote in post #16162091 (external link)
OP if that's how one has to adapt to shoot, I wouldn't go any faster than f2.8...

You might as well sell your primes and sticks with a zoom then...

y'all have a good evening.


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Jul 28, 2013 22:11 |  #58
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Allow me to quote myself -

kin2son wrote in post #16161915 (external link)
I bet your single point being the center one?

OP is trying to nail critical focus on eyes at large aperture. Your case sounds like all you want is to get the subject in focus - totally different scenario.

Either you were shooting at much smaller aperture and/or you are just not as demanding.

OP's thread is about how reliable are those outer points. Your samples are all CENTER POINT.

DOF aside, your samples aren't doing any favours to the non crosstype points on the 6D.

What you have suggested so far is sticking to center point and aim at somewhere else but the eyes when they are off-center, then pray there's enough dof to cover it. Meaning you probably acknowledged the fact that the outer points suck even in outdoor with plenty of lights.

I'm sorry, but that's not how's done properly.


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Jul 28, 2013 23:14 as a reply to  @ kin2son's post |  #59

Top middle point. f/2.8 Moving kid in low light. He was moving fast which is why I stopped down just a tad. thinking I might actually need the depth of field. I didn't.

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Jul 29, 2013 21:31 |  #60

From today. Single shot mode, top center outer point.

Totally Off, doesn't know why camera thinking there is focus lock.

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all rest nailed it.
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If I consistently get something like this then I can live with it.

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