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Jul 29, 2013 23:13 |  #46

Thanks!

And yes, I know they are not comparable... But it was the best I had to roughly show what I was talking about. The 70-200 II can start to look "rough" with some harsh backgrounds while the 135L can still just smother the hell out of even complex backgrounds with ease :D

I need to find a better example... Tomorrow sometime :D


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Invertalon wrote in post #16165379 (external link)
And yes, I know they are not comparable... But it was the best I had to roughly show what I was talking about. The 70-200 II can start to look "rough" with some harsh backgrounds while the 135L can still just smother the hell out of even complex backgrounds with ease :D

Correct me if I'm wrong, 70-200II has 8 rounded blades whereas the 135L has 8 straight blades?

The reason why it looks more creamy is all due to the fast aperture, my guess is it isn't smoother if both shot at f2.8?


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Jul 30, 2013 00:58 |  #48

kin2son wrote in post #16165522 (external link)
Correct me if I'm wrong, 70-200II has 8 rounded blades whereas the 135L has 8 straight blades?

The reason why it looks more creamy is all due to the fast aperture, my guess is it isn't smoother if both shot at f2.8?

There is more to bokeh than aperture blades. Look at the photozone bokeh examples. The 135L @ 2.8 is still smoother than the 70-200/2.8 @ 2.8.


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Jul 30, 2013 03:00 |  #49

kin2son wrote in post #16165522 (external link)
Correct me if I'm wrong, 70-200II has 8 rounded blades whereas the 135L has 8 straight blades?

The reason why it looks more creamy is all due to the fast aperture, my guess is it isn't smoother if both shot at f2.8?

no, the reason why the 2nd shot has smoother bokeh is because the subject is closer to the 135L, Get closer to the duck with 70-200 @200mm and the background will be butter smooth.


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Jul 30, 2013 12:58 |  #50

I still see people making comments like the Minolta 58/1.2 has the best bokeh = wrong use of the term bokeh - perhaps correct term for little DOF with a smooth background. I have many lenses and the reason why is different bokeh. I tired to rate them on paper - impossible. Bokeh cannot be rated in terms of good vs bad - that is very subjective. What I call good you might not like at all. You might try smooth background vs busy background but that does not work either. There are different kinds of smooth background and different kinds of busy backgrounds. I tried raitng lenses on a 3D graph but that also failed.


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Jul 30, 2013 14:42 |  #51

Perhaps the best bokeh I've ever seen was done by Nikkor 135mm f/2 DC. Just so butter smooth and pleasant to look at, with lovely round highlights and easily beats 135L in this regard. Overall I still preferred the 135L's more saturated colors, though. But I am certainly hoping Sigma could replicate the Nikkor 135/2 in terms of bokeh with their upcoming 135/1.8 with 9 rounded aperture blades. There's certainly possibilities to do so :)

On Canon camp, 200L/f2 easily has the best bokeh I have seen. Too bad I will probably never be able to afford that beast :/


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Jul 30, 2013 16:48 |  #52

ben805 wrote in post #16165685 (external link)
no, the reason why the 2nd shot has smoother bokeh is because the subject is closer to the 135L, Get closer to the duck with 70-200 @200mm and the background will be butter smooth.

Correct... But you are missing my point which I clarified twice now. I know they are not apples to apples comparisons, but at the time they are the quick examples I have dug up to show what I mean, even if not equal.

I have both lenses now and for bokeh, the 135L wins for pure creaminess, especially with cluttered backgrounds. My point is the 70-200 with busy backgrounds does not always do so well, while the 135L does a much better job.

I will see if I have better examples or make a comparison myself.


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Jul 30, 2013 23:25 |  #53

test both, pick the one you like better after some test shots... I guess that the easiest way to find out.


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Jul 31, 2013 08:32 |  #54

Butter smooth backgrounds become boring after a while. So many other options out there.


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