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Jul 30, 2013 12:59 |  #1

Another victim of the digital age...

I haven't found any link in English yet :confused:

In the meantime, here is a link if french: http://www.rts.ch …a-eviter-la-faillite.html (external link)

and one in German http://www.handelszeit​ung.ch …lford-ist-bankrott-476134 (external link)


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Jul 30, 2013 13:28 |  #2

That's not Ilford the film and paper company, which is owned by Harmon. That's Ilford the ink-jet paper company.


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Jul 31, 2013 08:22 |  #3

Isn't the inkjet paper company Harmon which then bought the film company?




  
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Jul 31, 2013 08:44 |  #4

It's my understanding they are subsidiaries of Harmon, but the ink jet paper is manufactured by a company in France, while the film and photo paper are manufactured in the UK. It's the subsidiary in France that's filed for bankruptcy protection. Ilford film appears to be doing quite well, now that they're almost the last company left making film products.


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Jul 31, 2013 09:38 |  #5

So wait... what's this mean for Gallerie papers?


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Jul 31, 2013 18:24 |  #6

Nathan wrote in post #16169478 (external link)
So wait... what's this mean for Gallerie papers?

I don't know but it's true the paper/inkjet/ film industry are all "victims of the digital age"




  
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Aug 01, 2013 17:16 |  #7

Tony-S wrote in post #16167026 (external link)
That's not Ilford the film and paper company, which is owned by Harmon. That's Ilford the ink-jet paper company.

Ok, thanks for clearing that up

Tony-S wrote in post #16169325 (external link)
It's my understanding they are subsidiaries of Harmon, but the ink jet paper is manufactured by a company in France, while the film and photo paper are manufactured in the UK. It's the subsidiary in France that's filed for bankruptcy protection. Ilford film appears to be doing quite well, now that they're almost the last company left making film products.

It's in Switzerland, not in France ;-)a

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So wait... what's this mean for Gallerie papers?

Probably the end...


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Aug 01, 2013 17:39 |  #8

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I don't know but it's true the paper/inkjet/ film industry are all "victims of the digital age"

The last report I read on the matter suggested that the usage of paper has been on a steady and strong rise for the last 30 years. Everyone goes on and on about the 'paperless era', where everything will be digital, but we keep making easier and easier methods of printing.

Now we do recycle far more paper than we once did, and initial source pulp hasn't been growing nearly as much, but paper in and of itself isn't likely to go anywhere anytime soon. Which is a good thing, as paper doesn't need batteries.


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Aug 01, 2013 19:56 |  #9

Ugh. All I use is Galerie papers. Stock up or make the switch to something different now. What a downer, their new Galerie papers are soooooo nice.


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Aug 01, 2013 21:38 |  #10

I was never a fan of Ilford inkjet papers. They really love their optical brighteners, and the Gold Fibre Silk is so fragile.




  
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Aug 01, 2013 21:45 |  #11

i've never been a fan of ilford inkjet papers either. i have plenty of unused stuff lying around everywhere


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Aug 02, 2013 05:57 |  #12

Luckless wrote in post #16173686 (external link)
The last report I read on the matter suggested that the usage of paper has been on a steady and strong rise for the last 30 years.

I'm not sure I believe those reports




  
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Aug 02, 2013 06:50 as a reply to  @ watt100's post |  #13

Paper use on the rise:

http://www.economist.c​om …ail/2012/04/dai​ly-chart-0 (external link)
https://www.smitherspi​ra.com …67-3-billion-by-2017.aspx (external link) (on the industrial/commercial side, not consumer, but still…)

Yes, we're inundated with photos presented on digital devices (monitors, tablets, cell phones…), but I still continue to see photos on or in folks' walls, books, postcards, cubicles, photo albums, wallets, and such…and that's a good thing.

To be sure, most of my stuff is up on Smugmug, and that's great, but if presentation of photography was ever completely reduced (and I use "reduced" in the most derogatory way possible) to a monitor, I would leave the hobby altogether.

For me, a photograph does not fully manifest until the print is completed; and of course by print, I mean paper, and by paper, I mean the "real thing."


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Aug 02, 2013 09:09 |  #14

watt100 wrote in post #16174864 (external link)
I'm not sure I believe those reports

30 years ago, how many people had printers in their homes?

The advance of all this technology that was suppose to make paper useless has also made it easier to print on paper, and print we do.


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Aug 02, 2013 11:35 |  #15

I found this here: http://www.filmbodies.​com …iews/not-that-ilford.html (external link)

Yes, indeed, Ilford Imaging Switzerland is apparently insolvent. But that's the Ilford that makes mostly Galerie photographic inkjet paper and was bought by an investment firm from Oji Paper of Japan, which was the entity that got the Ilfochrome and inkjet paper business when Ilford originally went through bankruptcy in 2004. The company now in bankruptcy is not the Ilford Photo based in UK that makes the B&W film and developing chemicals.

This is probably a good time to remind people of what happened during the original bankruptcy: the main brand name and the color end of the business went to Oji Paper, the black and white side went to Harman Technology, a company created by former Ilford managers. Harman also made inkjet papers, but those appeared under the Harmon name, not Ilford. Yes, confusing. When brands die it is rarely pretty how things turn out. But the good news is that the film-producing side of Ilford is still in business, and as far as I know, healthy.

We're going to have this same problem with Kodak, too, since Kodak did the same kind of splitting up of various units in bankruptcy, many of which retain the right to use the Kodak brand name. Worse still, the brand name in Kodak's case is also licensed by the main company to others in several cases, such as cameras.

So be careful when you see the word "bankrupt" associated with these split-up entities that only refer to the brand name.


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