Anyone done a real world comparison between 6D and D600?

Tmuussoni wrote in post #16186325
They are both awesome bodies with fantastic IQs. On Canon dedicated forums (@ POTN) you are bound to have more answers saying get the Canon. But the truth is they are very close to each other in performance. If you are not already too heavily invested in Canon glass the Nikon D600 is certainly a viable option. And this "oil in sensor" is totally blown of proportions here..

Some basic advantages for D600:
-More AF points (better AF tracking, in 6D you are still basicly stuck on the center AF point for most reliable focus)
-2 EV stops better dynamic range (in landscaping photography you'll appreciate this)
- 4 more megapixels
- built-in flash
- better low ISO perfomance (e.g. ability to pull out shadows without that horrible banding)

Some basic advantages for 6D
- better high ISO perfomance (it becomes more especially visible above ISO 6400, but you have to ask your self: do I really shoot with such high ISO numbers?)
- GPS
- WIFI
- If you are already invested in Canon glass, in my opinion it's not worth changing them for Nikon

To sum up: they are both awesome bodies. Just go to some store, see how they feel on your hand. And make your decision based on that feeling

I did a lot of research before deciding to go with the Nikon D600 largely for some of the reasons posted above. However, my D600 arrived and I tested it right away and found about 15 spots on the sensor. I didn't want to deal with sending it in or needing to clean the sensor time and again, etc. So, I sent it back and decided to rent a Canon 6D and the 50/1.2L lens. I had it for a week on a trip to New Orleans and returned it and bought a 6D and the 50L right after that. If I knew that I'd like it so much back when I was doing my research then I would have probably gone with the 6D over the D600. I often shoot available light and the 6D's center focusing point is unrivaled in how well it can focus in even the darkest light. I love it.

smu johnson wrote in post #16186052
1) Google "D600 oil" without quotes. I think this will make the choice easier.

2) Also, this URL: http://www.kenrockwell​.com/canon/6d.htm

FWIW, he says, "The Canon 6D is the world's second-best DSLR regardless of price, right behind the very similar Canon 5D Mark III. If you're in the market for a full-frame DSLR for ultimate technical quality and super-fast autofocus for action, but don't want to pay extra for (or carry the weight of) the 5D Mark III, the 6D is about 95% of the 5D Mark III for a lot less money. I own both, and see and feel very little difference between them. (I also own the Nikon D600, which is inferior).".

I faced the same choice. Went with the 6D.

Hi I am new to this site and am curious as to how you list your camera and lens to the bottom of your posts
Cheers
Greg

seanlancaster wrote in post #16187075
If I knew that I'd like it so much back when I was doing my research then I would have probably gone with the 6D over the D600.

It's so easy to get caught up in comparing feature lists. We've been trained by the PC industry. These aren't PC towers and there is more to making great images than a box filled with specifications.

cargre wrote in post #16187080
Hi I am new to this site and am curious as to how you list your camera and lens to the bottom of your posts

https://photography-on-the.net …file.php?do=edi​tsignature

seanlancaster wrote in post #16187075
I did a lot of research before deciding to go with the Nikon D600 largely for some of the reasons posted above. However, my D600 arrived and I tested it right away and found about 15 spots on the sensor. I didn't want to deal with sending it in or needing to clean the sensor time and again, etc. So, I sent it back and decided to rent a Canon 6D and the 50/1.2L lens. I had it for a week on a trip to New Orleans and returned it and bought a 6D and the 50L right after that. If I knew that I'd like it so much back when I was doing my research then I would have probably gone with the 6D over the D600. I often shoot available light and the 6D's center focusing point is unrivaled in how well it can focus in even the darkest light. I love it.

Congratulations for your new body and 50L. May them serve you well . On my experience, the D600 is pretty even with 6D regarding central AF point perfomance, If you use the AF Assist Illuminator on the D600. But if you turn it off, the 6D is definately faster and more reliable to focus in dim light. But I still prefer the D600 AF points since it has nine cross-type compared to 6D's one. Imo there are never too much cross type AF points when you are tracking a moving subject. And interestingly, I just sold my 50L. I found myself disliking the onion bokeh and general softness at f/1.2. Albeit it gives you such dreamy results. Now if the 50L was as sharp as the Sigma 35/1.4, that would be one impressive lens. But no lens is perfect in everything, I guess...

Anyway, I am truly sorry for your oil spot trouble. I would simply call that bad luck. It would be interesting to know some actual facts and statistics how many bodies have this problem (percentage). Were these more of an early production problem and has Nikon ironed the problems out with newer batches? I have whole bunch of friends with D600 and none of them have oil spot problems. I rented one for week and it didn't have the oil spot problem either. If I had to guess i'd say actual numbers are way lower than 10 %. But no way to proof this though, just my Intuition. Problems like these tend to be blown out of proportions on internet forums, just like the Sigma 35mm AF problems tend to be blown out of proportions. And internet rumours get multiplied ten fold easily.

This was interesting take on the oil spot issue by LensRental:
http://www.lensrentals​.com …sue-gets-better-over-time

So if you one of the victims of oil spots, atleast the good news it would have gotten lower over time to make it an insignifant problem.

jdizzle wrote in post #16186794
The best and by far the most reasonable post I've ever read. Things will change when the new forum goes live bcoz' this forum will no longer be centered toward the Canon brand!

Oh thank you. I appreciate it. I think it's also a good thing this forum will be open for other brands too. The most positive thing for me will be the most likely increased wisdom here regarding mounting third party and non-Canon lenses to Canon DSLRs

http://youtube.com/wat​ch?v=Q9HlxWqcG5Y

Tmuussoni wrote in post #16186325
They are both awesome bodies with fantastic IQs. On Canon dedicated forums (@ POTN) you are bound to have more answers saying get the Canon. But the truth is they are very close to each other in performance. If you are not already too heavily invested in Canon glass the Nikon D600 is certainly a viable option. And this "oil in sensor" is totally blown of proportions here..

Some basic advantages for D600:
-More AF points (better AF tracking, in 6D you are still basicly stuck on the center AF point for most reliable focus)
-2 EV stops better dynamic range (in landscaping photography you'll appreciate this)
- 4 more megapixels
- built-in flash
- better low ISO perfomance (e.g. ability to pull out shadows without that horrible banding)

Some basic advantages for 6D
- better high ISO perfomance (it becomes more especially visible above ISO 6400, but you have to ask your self: do I really shoot with such high ISO numbers?)
- GPS
- WIFI
- If you are already invested in Canon glass, in my opinion it's not worth changing them for Nikon

To sum up: they are both awesome bodies. Just go to some store, see how they feel on your hand. And make your decision based on that feeling

I'd add most say that nikon's dynamic range advantage is gone by ISO 800.

Canon's video is much better.

seanlancaster wrote in post #16187075
I did a lot of research before deciding to go with the Nikon D600 largely for some of the reasons posted above. However, my D600 arrived and I tested it right away and found about 15 spots on the sensor. I didn't want to deal with sending it in or needing to clean the sensor time and again, etc. So, I sent it back and decided to rent a Canon 6D and the 50/1.2L lens. I had it for a week on a trip to New Orleans and returned it and bought a 6D and the 50L right after that. If I knew that I'd like it so much back when I was doing my research then I would have probably gone with the 6D over the D600. I often shoot available light and the 6D's center focusing point is unrivaled in how well it can focus in even the darkest light. I love it.

I'll agree that the center point on the 6D is excellent along with the cross types but, the outer points perform like the 9 point AF from the 5Dc/5D2. I borrowed one from CPS to use it at a wedding and the outer points were dissapointing in low light. The D600's outer points were much better in low light since I'm not a focus recompose type shooter. Lastly, the dust problem has resolved itself on my D600 even with 15K in actuations.

ElectronGuru wrote in post #16186750
It doesn't matter which camera you buy, it's the system that you are committing to. In 5 years when the body is obsolete, which set of lenses do you want to be selecting a new body for? Which company has the design and execution you prefer?

+1. This is one reason I got out of the Fuji X system. I just couldn't bring myself to go in deeper with the lenses when I didn't have confidence I would still want to be in the system a few years down the road and the lenses are not readily available used.

That said, both Canon and Nikon lenses are consistently available used so you could buy in that way and sell later for not a big loss.

I will add, if you shoot scenes that require the use of the camera's Live View feature or you use Live View for critical focus, the 6Ds Live View is far superior to the D600s

Luta13 wrote in post #16190730
I will add, if you shoot scenes that require the use of the camera's Live View feature or you use Live View for critical focus, the 6Ds Live View is far superior to the D600s

Just an FYI. The D600's LV has been fixed with firmware and it works like a charm.

jdizzle wrote in post #16190977
Just an FYI. The D600's LV has been fixed with firmware and it works like a charm.

Good to hear the real scoop from people who know rather than people who spread 2nd hand garbage.

jdizzle wrote in post #16186794
The best and by far the most reasonable post I've ever read. Things will change when the new forum goes live bcoz' this forum will no longer be centered toward the Canon brand!

^^^ I'm only an occasional, though long-time, forum member. What is this???

WT21 wrote in post #16191804
^^^ I'm only an occasional, though long-time, forum member. What is this???

Specifically...
https://photography-on-the.net …p?p=16064025&po​stcount=29

You might want to read all the previous posts in that thread from Pekka explaining the new forum software.

Rob

jdizzle wrote in post #16190977
Just an FYI. The D600's LV has been fixed with firmware and it works like a charm.

What aspect are you talking about? As far as I know, the D600 still requires exiting live view to change the aperture, right? If they fixed it then that's cool, but as far as I understand that aspect is a physical limitation due to the aperture mechanism being coupled with the shutter mechanism in Nikon's design. The D800 has a separate mechanism for that and was only crippled by incomplete firmware for aperture control.

Overall, anyone could pick any current FF camera from Nikon or Canon and be on a level playing field for general use. What I think should be a huge deciding factor in many people's decisions is how long might you have to wait for a repair? Especially considering that new d600 cameras are still shipping with dusty shutters in some copies, but obviously not others. I've read many reports of people being without their D600 for several months due to having to send it back in multiple times and going through crazy long turn around times of up to 5 weeks each send in. I've read many people who have said they went to Canon out of utter disgust for Nikon's customer service even though they prefer the specs and operation of Nikon.

True some people like JDizzle don't mind cleaning the sensor, but he has a camera collection the equivalent of Fort Nox and can jump from one to the other at a moment's notice. For anyone who must have a d600 as an only camera, having to wet clean the sensor in the middle of a shoot is just no an option, especially for time-lapse guys.

I personally prefer the way Nikon cameras handle for non-landscape use and love the features they are packed with. If I did more portrait and sports shooting, I would probably have kept my D800.

Hogloff wrote in post #16191731
Good to hear the real scoop from people who know rather than people who spread 2nd hand garbage.

Really Hogloff?? Relax man. That's not called for. I'm not spewing anything. The camera was produced with a severely handicaped LV. Fact. I used it. Not 2nd hand, I have shot with it. I have public photos available taken by me with a D600. I don't spout off about things I haven't used. '2nd hand garbage' ?? Post up your Canon 6D pictures that YOU shot using Canon LV so that you can debunk my simple claim that the 6D LV is superior to the D600 LV.
I apologize to all for not being aware of a recent software update to fix an inferior LV. So, the firmware update for D600 now offers FULL and ACCURATE exposure simulation and similar features to Canon's models? Awesome! Glad they fixed it. It happens to be a great camera, as is the 6D.