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Aug 10, 2013 04:37 |  #1

hello everyone.
I'll buy my first flash the next week and ive seen amazing results from gary fong lightsphere collapsible, but they were all on his own channel.
Does anybody here use this product and can say if it worth spending 70$ on?


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Aug 10, 2013 05:05 |  #2

learn to bounce a normal flash or use a chunk of white craft foam :)

its a marketing joke with most pros :)


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Aug 10, 2013 05:47 |  #3

I believe a simple search of "fong" on this very forum will give you more than enough answers to your question! :)

*the above said with absolutely no ill-intent to OP - just to underline the enormous consensus on the matter*


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Aug 10, 2013 05:51 |  #4

They're great in confined areas where you need the light spread around more, but so is a Sto-fen or just some bubble wrap loosely placed over the flash head. They all become decreasingly effective the larger the space becomes...all the way up to the point of uselessness outdoors - even harmful as they cause the flash to work harder, overheat, and use excessive battery.


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Aug 10, 2013 05:54 |  #5

Chad D wrote in post #16196007 (external link)
learn to bounce a normal flash or use a chunk of white craft foam :)

its a marketing joke with most pros :)

To be fair, those don't solve the problem in the same way a Sto-fen or Lightsphere or bubble wrap does, at least not in small rooms like closets.


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Aug 10, 2013 06:21 |  #6

no they do not solve it the same way but they do solve it :)

IMHO a piece of white foam and bounce can solve the problem in a tight space those other things can also solve it ?

they will not act/look the same for sure ! but they can do the job :) also off camera flash is also a great option

we could go around in circles about light modifiers the OP asked I answered :) so did you now he has to play around and find his own way :)


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Aug 10, 2013 07:07 |  #7

Chad D wrote in post #16196064 (external link)
no they do not solve it the same way but they do solve it :)

IMHO a piece of white foam and bounce can solve the problem in a tight space those other things can also solve it ?

they will not act/look the same for sure ! but they can do the job :) also off camera flash is also a great option

we could go around in circles about light modifiers the OP asked I answered :) so did you now he has to play around and find his own way :)

Well eventually you'll get to the point where you want a certain look to the image.


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Aug 10, 2013 08:36 as a reply to  @ cdifoto's post |  #8

here's some interesting reading

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1300417


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Aug 10, 2013 09:11 |  #9

You don't need foam or bubble wrap or any other do it your self thingy.....just buy the Fong sphere. Cheap, compact and does what it is intended to do.




  
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Aug 10, 2013 10:12 |  #10

Principles of speedlight modifiers...they can do one or more of the following:


  1. They can improve the apparent size of the 'light source' by directing light to adjacent walls and ceiling -- IF they area available and not strongly colored so as to taint the bounced light
  2. They can improve the apparent size of the actual light source by providing increase in AREA in a direct source, such as with softboxes
  3. They can improve the apparent size of the actual light source by providing apparent increase in AREA via indirect bounce, such as with foam reflector
  4. They can provide a forward aiming light source to create catchlights in the eyes, to alleviate raccoon eye shadows, and to alleviate underchin shadowing from overhead sources (including ceiling bounce)


  • Fongs and Stofens usually do #1 indoors, but cannot ever do #1 outdoors (unless you're in a tent).
  • Fongs do a bit of #2 (but not enough to truly matter) , Stofens do none of #2
  • Fongs and Stofens do #4
  • Foam things and Dembs and Lumiquest 80/20 do #1, and #3, and #4 indoors -- but like Fongs and Stofens cannot do #1 when ceiling is absent or is brightly colored and do only #3 and #4 outdoors, and the light softness is dependent upon being close enough to the subject.
  • Foam things and Dembs and Lumiquest 80/20 do #3, and #4 outdoors -- but light softness is dependent upon being close enough to the subject.
  • Small softboxes do #2 and #4 indoors or out, but light softness is dependent upon being close enough to the subject.


So one can see there is no such thing as a 'universal modifier' that works no matter what. Foam things and Dembs are only somewhat adaptable to the circumstance, the Lumiquest 80/20 is more adaptable. But the best approach is to have more than one type of device and switch over or totally remove a modifier under some circumstances!

We have threads on POTN about the deceptive photos on Fong's web site which attribute benefits to using Fong products, when the reality is that camera settings were changed and some of the benefit effects seen have NOTHING to do with Fong's products at all! Photographic snake oil. Unfortunately the links provided in this thread have changed, so that the offending illustrations are no longer posted on Fong's web site, but they were valid at the original time of the post...
https://photography-on-the.net …hp?p=7587517&po​stcount=22

This past year one guy on POTN even claimed to be an associate/photographer of Fong's web photos, and that he could provide explanations for what was being challenged...he faded away without adequately addressing any of our challenges! https://photography-on-the.net …p?p=15960365&po​stcount=54


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Aug 10, 2013 15:22 |  #11

agree !

eventually you will get to the point when you want your work consistent ! and/or you find once you shoot long enough you realize gimmicks are just that :)

if you like the fong thing and I upset you ? sorry but its my opinion :) just like you think its great I think its junk :) no worries :) hahahahahahah

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Well eventually you'll get to the point where you want a certain look to the image.


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Aug 10, 2013 21:25 |  #12

Chad D wrote in post #16196880 (external link)
agree !

eventually you will get to the point when you want your work consistent ! and/or you find once you shoot long enough you realize gimmicks are just that :)

if you like the fong thing and I upset you ? sorry but its my opinion :) just like you think its great I think its junk :) no worries :) hahahahahahah

You certainly didn't upset me, and I didn't say I like it or dislike it. I said it has its place just like Sto-fen, Lumiquest, foamie thingy, umbrella, softbox, etc do.

I don't use one myself but I used to and it definitely worked in the right conditions, it's just that the conditions are very specific like every other modifier.


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Aug 10, 2013 23:03 as a reply to  @ cdifoto's post |  #13

You tell me. Here are photos I took with the Lightsphere Collapsible and the Powersnoot and grid. I love his gear. Does it do everything? No, but it's good.

Lightsphere:

Wedding, with tungsten gel and WB set to tungsten

IMAGE: http://grahamglover.zenfolio.com/img/s2/v73/p1309209014-4.jpg

At a fashion show
IMAGE: http://grahamglover.zenfolio.com/img/s1/v54/p266741224-4.jpg

Powersnoot:

Outdoor industrial fashion shoot
IMAGE: http://grahamglover.zenfolio.com/img/s11/v33/p544849031-4.jpg

Indoor studio shoot
IMAGE NOT FOUND
IMAGE IS A REDIRECT OR MISSING!
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'text/html' | Byte size: ZERO

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