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Aug 13, 2013 11:13 |  #1

Hi,

We're throwing a "Glamour Shots" party for a friend, with all the girls getting dressed up in denim jackets and giant feather boas and White Rain hairspray, and the guys wearing tacky sweaters and slick-parted hair and Coke-bottle glasses. We're putting together some bad backdrops as well, and collecting silly props. I'm sure we'll have some of those goofy two-look composites, and maybe a "family portrait" holding the unwilling cat.

I'm pretty competent as a portrait photographer, I've got a pretty decent amount of lighting gear, all the lenses that I need, and I'm pretty sure I can pull this off - but I'm just looking for any advice, tips, dos-n-don'ts from anyone who has done this digitally before. I would prefer to do as much in-camera as possible, though I'm not averse to some post-processing. If I can do it all with a combination of camera, lens, lighting, and Lightroom, then I'll be super happy. One main light with a reflector, one or two hair lights, zero to two background lights depending on the backdrop(s) we choose.

Canon has made a soft-focus lens, but I don't think any of the rental companies have it, and I don't want to spend $600+ to buy it. (although a 135mm f/2.8 would be nice, even without the soft focus, I don't need another lens right now!) I don't mind sacrificing a cheapo filter if it would make sense to smear one with a little Vaseline. I've also read that putting a bit of stretched nylon stocking over the lens can give a similar soft-glowy effect.

If I have to take it into Photoshop, then I'm thinking maybe duplicating the image into a new layer, giving the new layer way too much blur (I think Gaussian only goes up to 250px? that might be enough), then setting it to Overlay (or Screen?) with a medium-low opacity.

Any other thoughts? We've got about a dozen girls and half-dozen guys. We don't really have a time limit (it's a combination photoshoot, birthday party, sleepover, etc etc) but even 15 minutes per person means it's gonna take 4+ hours to move through us all.

Thanks for any insight.


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Aug 16, 2013 18:20 |  #2

Depends on what you want to achieve. A Gaussian Blur layer set to blend mode overlay, lighten or darken might work. A piece of nylon in front of the lens might as well.
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Aug 16, 2013 19:09 |  #3

Thanks for the suggestion. That example shot is pretty close to what I want to achieve.

Unfortunately, this isn't the kind of thing I want to drop $200 on, since we're just doing it for fun. I don't expect to make this into a regular part of my portraiture :D

I'll do a little testing this weekend. The wife has some relatively sheer nylons that we can sacrifice, and I've got some other netting material that might work.


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Aug 18, 2013 13:45 |  #4

Negative clarity slider might do the job if you do not want to leave LR.

I've seen images where the photographer smeared a light coating of Vaseline on a uv filter in front of the lens to get the soft blur look.

Totally for sure this shoots sounds totally awesome.

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Aug 18, 2013 13:48 |  #5

Watch some classic John Hughes movies to get you in the mood. 16 candles. Pretty in pink, ferris bueller's day off, breakfast club.

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Aug 18, 2013 16:10 |  #6

You can, like, stretch some groady panty hose over the lens, dude, to take your blur to the max :)


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Aug 18, 2013 16:37 as a reply to  @ KaosImagery's post |  #7

Or use a little hair spray on an old gnarly uv filter.


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Aug 19, 2013 15:02 |  #8

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You can, like, stretch some groady panty hose over the lens, dude, to take your blur to the max :)

Gonna totally try this first.

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I've seen images where the photographer smeared a light coating of Vaseline on a uv filter in front of the lens to get the soft blur look.

And try this second. I have a cheapo UV filter that I don't mind sacrificing. It'll only fit my 50mm but that focal length should be fine for this.

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Negative clarity slider might do the job if you do not want to leave LR.

I've thought about that too. The look is pretty close but not quite there. Worth experimenting, though.


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Aug 19, 2013 16:35 as a reply to  @ nathancarter's post |  #9

You can apply a Clarity (or any other) graduated filter as many times as you want if a single application isn't strong enough, and it doesn't have to be "graduated" if you start and finish applying it on the same side of the image (hope that's clear -- easier to do than to descirbe). Maybe the attached image will help to explain; I have applied the filter three times, all starting outside the right side of the image and ending almost immediately just to the right of the starting point.

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Aug 19, 2013 18:06 |  #10

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Gonna totally try this first.

And try this second. I have a cheapo UV filter that I don't mind sacrificing. It'll only fit my 50mm but that focal length should be fine for this.

I've thought about that too. The look is pretty close but not quite there. Worth experimenting, though.

No 3rd try using hair spray on an old uv filter? :confused:


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Aug 20, 2013 13:11 |  #11

We need all the hair spray for our hair, man.

(OK, I might try that too)


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Aug 25, 2013 12:07 |  #12

Little update. Shot 'em last night. It was pretty nuts, as it was also an (adult) birthday party with lots of drinking and dancing and food and swimming. Technically, they're not as good as I would have liked, but in the barely-controlled chaos I think they turned out OK. Shot 18 different people (plus lots of pairs & groups) in three different styles - in addition to the Glamour Shots, I did a new set of standard beauty-style headshots for our dance troupe, and some Halloween styles promo shots for the flyer for our upcoming show, and just played around a bit since I had a lot of willing models in makeup and hair.

For the Glamour Shots, I wound up not using the lubed filter or the nylons. I had some other stuff come up over the week and just didn't have as much time as I would have liked to prep and practice. I had everything on hand but just didn't get it set up right, as I was also shooting two other styles that same night. A little failing on my part due to lack of preparation.

On to the processing. A lot of this is just an "in-progress" thread, hoping that someone else can learn from my process. For now I'm staying in Lightroom, but I'll make some more updates as I test and learn a little more.

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Top row:
1. As shot
2. First attempt. Simple tweaks to Basic pane: +37 highlights, -12 Shadows, +45 Whites, -10 Clarity, +25 Vibrance, +7 Saturation, minor brush edit to bring down the hairlight highlights. Two full-frame gradient filters at -20 Clarity, as described by Rimmer in post #9.
3. No global Clarity, five gradient adjustments with -10 Clarity each.
4. No global Clarity, ten gradient adjustments with -10 Clarity each.

Bottom row:
5. No global Clarity, four gradient adjustments with -25 Clarity each.
6. No global Clarity, one gradient adjustment with -100 Clarity.
7. No global Clarity, two gradient adjustments with -100 Clarity each.
8. -100 global Clarity, no gradient adjustments.

Conclusion:
For the purposes of Clarity adjustment, layering many small adustments seems to give identical results as doing a single large adjustment. 10x(-10) = 4x(-25) = 1x(-100).
-100 in the "whole-frame" gradient adjustment seems to be about the same as -70 global Clarity adjustment. Two -100 gradients seems to be about the same as one -100 global adjustment, but that may just be because by the time you get that deep, everything is mushy and indistinguishable.

I like 4/5/6 the best, it's still missing that "glow" or "haze" but I think I'll have to take it into Photoshop for that.

Will post another update when I have made some more progress, but I have a super busy next couple of weeks, so I don't know when I'll get these wrapped up.

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