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Aug 13, 2013 20:08 |  #1
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Now, we have the 180 degree rule.
for cinematic look, they say to shoot at around 24fps with 180 degree shutter so about 1/48 shutter speed.
BUT, I notice that when most people shoot with these settings, it looks ok, but real videos have a MUCH crisper less blurry image. Just take any movie and pause it when a person is moving(not FAST of course) and you can still see perfect image. Now pause your video with these settings, everything is really really blurry.
I mean, even folks who shoot the black magic, like in the link below. Pause it anywhere on the video with movement and it still looks crisp! anyway to get this quality. Sure, I guess the slow shutter speed creates a filmic look by using the blur it creates, but are we creating TOO much blur?

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Aug 13, 2013 21:19 |  #2

All the films that I've interned on, the camera man would use the 180° degree rule on the red epics or the alaxes' cameras, the only time they changed it, they would use a faster sitter speed 60°for action scenes. Maybe it's your lens that isn't sharp plus they do a little post sharpening too


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Aug 13, 2013 21:19 |  #3

I shoot 30 fps with 1/60 shutter speed for more sharpness and then convert to 24 fps in PP.


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Aug 13, 2013 21:22 |  #4

Also I see you use a 5D mark III on the 6d and the 5d III they have a high compression and a low compression, use the low compression and see if it makes a difference


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Aug 13, 2013 21:32 |  #5
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Maverick530 wrote in post #16205924 (external link)
Also I see you use a 5D mark III on the 6d and the 5d III they have a high compression and a low compression, use the low compression and see if it makes a difference

I'm shooting raw. and I'm quite sure it isn't the lenses. I know the difference between something not being sharp, and motion blur


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Aug 13, 2013 21:36 |  #6

Maybe it's because your shooting raw and our cameras aren't ment for that


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Maverick530 wrote in post #16205955 (external link)
Maybe it's because your shooting raw and our cameras aren't ment for that

I hope this was a joke


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Aug 13, 2013 21:43 |  #8

I'm giving you suggestions for you "unsharp" video take them if you want I'm
Just helping you out because I'd want someone to try to help me out the same way. And yes just because your camera can shoot raw video does not mean it was ment to do it. Just like how I can over clock my computer to insane things doesn't mean it was ment to


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Maverick530 wrote in post #16205974 (external link)
I'm giving you suggestions for you "unsharp" video take them if you want I'm
Just helping you out because I'd want someone to try to help me out the same way. And yes just because your camera can shoot raw video does not mean it was ment to do it. Just like how I can over clock my computer to insane things doesn't mean it was ment to

But what would shooting raw video, have to do with my issue? And it's not just an issue of my videos, but ALL 5d videos that I've seen. Maybe it's just my mind playing tricks though.


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Aug 13, 2013 21:57 |  #10

Maybe, just try shooting a little higher that the 1/50th it might give you something more that your looking for.

Try Filming a slow moving ceiling fan at different shutter speeds and then compare them when you pause. If your using adobe premiere make sure that its on full resolution for your preview.


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Aug 14, 2013 03:52 |  #11

People shoot at 24fps with a 1/48 shutter to achieve a Hollywood look to their video. Pause most movies with action in them and you'll see an enormous amount of blur (they even have to replicate this with CGI scenes). It's just what we in the West have got used to.

Saving Private Ryan (and scenes from the island in the Arrow TV series) were shot with a much faster shutter speed and feel a lot choppier as a result. There's probably a compromise somewhere in the middle.

Dave Dougdale recently posted a behind-the-scenes (external link) look at the making of a fishing show and they were shooting with a shutter speed as high as 1/500. If you want sharper (less motion-blur) video, experiment with a faster shutter speed and see what sort of results you get.


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Aug 20, 2013 13:04 |  #12

AAphotog wrote in post #16205960 (external link)
I hope this was a joke

Pretty sure he meant RAW video, 5d3 was not produced to record raw.


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Aug 28, 2013 12:38 |  #13

Like mentioned above, double your frame rate to get your shutter speed for a sharper cinematic look, make sure the scene is well lit, bring your f/stop up a bit so you get better overall sharpness, use good glass :) and then work it like a b**ch in post and you'll get some nice achievements. Also shoot with the cinestyle preset, colour correct and grade it well and it'll look crisp :)




  
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Aug 28, 2013 13:26 |  #14
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kouman wrote in post #16224745 (external link)
Pretty sure he meant RAW video, 5d3 was not produced to record raw.

I'm SURE that's what he meant. But shooting RAW video on a capable camera(regardless if capable from factory or not), couldn't possibly have anything to do with having a soft image. If anything, it would make the image sharper(which it does). So, that is why I said I hope he's kidding.

It's like saying your tire popped on a car, and someone responding, "did it have gas in it? You know these cars aren't meant to be driven without gas". It makes no sense.


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Aug 28, 2013 19:01 |  #15

There's quite a bit of movement in this video, all shot with canon dslr's and at 1/50 or 1/48 with magic lantern hack.

https://vimeo.com/7135​2180 (external link)




  
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