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Aug 20, 2013 17:24 |  #1

Right, I know this may pop up every now and again but it is actually quite hard to find the information googlewise!

I understand ML says they can not guarantee the 5D IIIs safety when installing and using their firmware.

My real question is...is this a "cover blanket" and the actual process is safe and thousands of people are using it with no problems?

Or is this more of it has a 1/10 of killing your camera so it is pretty risky?

Is the risk the actual flashing process or buggy firmware causing sensor overheating?


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Aug 21, 2013 10:09 |  #2

I don't have a 5D3, but I've used ML extensively on 4 other bodies with zero problems. I think it's a really great tool for both video and stills, and I wouldn't be without it now. I have no qualms whatsoever about installing it.

Some folks freak out over the disclaimers, but they have to cover themselves as best they can - it's a litigious world out there.




  
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Aug 21, 2013 10:16 |  #3

I cant speak for the MKIII, but ive had it on my 60D for some time now, and the reward has outweighed the risk for me. Its an awesome piece of software. I think the disclaimer is basically to avoid any law suits just in case someone ever did brick their camera. You know how people are....someone might try to modify the code themselves or something and then screw it up and try to place the blame on A1ex. Anyhow, One thing i've done is to make sure and just follow the protocol ML gives you when installing the software precisely to avoid any glitches. (Not to say there are any) but I do what they say. And when I dump my ML card to a hard drive, always be careful not to delete any of the ML files on the card when deleting video's or images. And I always use the "stop devices" thing in windows before removing the card just to be safe.

When I was reading about ML° before installing it, there were thousands of people who had installed it successfully on all the cameras they wrote it for with not one actual case of it killing a camera. Which I thought to be pretty good.

As far as overheating goes, I might be weary of that since Canon diddint necessarily design the camera to record at a higher bitrate, and/or for hours on end, but thats only if you override it. I never find myself shooting for hours straight as it is, but some might. For instance Astrophotography mods:

http://glogg.jupiter-io.net …ames/350D/coole​r_350d.jpg (external link)

I tried cranking the bitrate up with ML to like 3X once, but the recording stopped, so I diddint really mess with it again. There are some really awesome features in ML that I would even pay for. It really makes the DSLR more of a video camera. Since the MK3 is newer I would probably research any issues (actual issues, not exaggerated ones) found by people who have installed it thus far. Been using on my 60 for over a year now with no glitches. I have to say I was scared the first time installing on a brand new camera :D




  
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Aug 21, 2013 12:27 |  #4

Well it is in "alpha 3" so I can only assume it is quite safe, but I am going to hold off untill I am actually quite sound in my videography skills and have some back up cash if it does die! I mean the usual footage in the 5D III isnt bad at all I dont think.

Of course the raw is better, but I think I could live without it for a short while or until a stable release appears sometime.


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Aug 21, 2013 17:31 |  #5

Johnny010 wrote in post #16227714 (external link)
Well it is in "alpha 3" so I can only assume it is quite safe, but I am going to hold off untill I am actually quite sound in my videography skills and have some back up cash if it does die! I mean the usual footage in the 5D III isnt bad at all I dont think.

Of course the raw is better, but I think I could live without it for a short while or until a stable release appears sometime.

The Usual footage is superb! :D Given this is a full-frame camera, the quality is that of big-screen film IMO. That's why Hollywood uses the MK's as secondary cameras quite often. ML is kind of an enhancement to options and menu features more than a quality enhancer. You definitely have the right idea when choosing to pace yourself. There is so much to learn about lens control and re-setting settings from scene to scene which make the foundation of motion-film. All of which talk way louder than super high quality gear. Just look at Hitchcock, it was all about technique.

Think about it this way....One could watch breaking bad on a 1955 TV, but it would still be good. The question is why? :cool:




  
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Aug 22, 2013 16:27 |  #6

I've been using it for quite a while on all my Canon bodies, including the 7d (which just became available for autoload although is Alpha!) and have yet to bork a camera with it -- or have it go hinky on me when in use.

It certainly can (all software has bugs!) but in my experience hasn't.


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Aug 22, 2013 16:41 |  #7

I can appreciate your caution in installing ML, I'm sure we were all the same. I agree that it is worth struggling to do video without it for a while if only to appreciate how much more useful it really is.


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Aug 22, 2013 22:16 |  #8

I have been testing 2.3 on a 5d2 for a while. I notice that after the camera goes to sleep, when it wakes up ML is automatically disabled. I had to power off/on to reactivate.


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Aug 23, 2013 21:25 |  #9

kenwood33 wrote in post #16232187 (external link)
I have been testing 2.3 on a 5d2 for a while. I notice that after the camera goes to sleep, when it wakes up ML is automatically disabled. I had to power off/on to reactivate.

Weird! did you try any other auto-off settings? I would report the disablement to them if you have not already... I needs to come out of sleep!




  
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Aug 24, 2013 07:56 |  #10

I think I read on the instructions you need to turn auto-sleep off. Probably due to this!


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Sep 03, 2013 00:40 |  #11

I've had no problem using Magic Lantern on my refurbished Canon Mark III with a 16 gb. Sandisk Boot Disk while writing RAW and HDR video to a 1000X Lexar card.

From what I've read on the ML forums, if something fishy starts happening...just pull the battery. Either way, I just spent the past couple weeks in the Central Cascades of Washington with no problems at all 'cept that I needed another battery and 1000X card because I was taking too much footage.

Only gripes I have so far is that the Live View looks a bit wonky with artifacts at times before I meter off the subject and that I can't playback RAW video on the camera to review my shots to see if I got anything good. Well.....I can play back in Black and White with Magic Lantern, but can't delete what I don't like. Just my two cents.




  
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Sep 03, 2013 18:23 |  #12

A Creative Endeavor wrote in post #16263159 (external link)
From what I've read on the ML forums, if something fishy starts happening...just pull the battery. Either way,

I concur...Remove power..so that given error has no juice. I have done this a couple of times with a cell phone in my youth..and the phone survived. A digital brain going haywire can burn itself in 2 seconds. But never worry... if you follow A1ex's directions you will have no problems.




  
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