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Aug 23, 2013 20:31 |  #1

I have considered getting an UWA for my 60d and relegating my 5d to portrait work (which is what I do with it most of the time anyway) My 5d is a total whore for legendary manual focus lenses.

I have narrowed it down to three candidates:

Sigma 8-16
Tokina 11-16
Canon 10-22

The Sigma is the widest and it would be a slam dunk if I could mount a 10-stop ND filter to it: it does not mount filters because of front element protrusion. The Tokina is the fastest of the 3 with a constant 2.8 aperture.....but I want to be able to stop down past f22. The Canon, obviously has the most range and unparalleled optics and excellent distortion control, is the most expensive of the 3 APS-C glasses.

But wait....THE PLOT THICKENS.......my 5d, being the whore it is for manual focus lenses, could take the 14mm 2.8 Rokinon with ease. I have a split-image focus screen and all shots done at these obscene focal lengths would be at infinity focus and stopped down anyway. It's cheaper than the other 3 no doubt, but has distortion like a motherfather.

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Aug 23, 2013 21:05 |  #2

Just sold my sigma 10 -20 and am highly pleases with it's replacement...........​....the rokinon 14, even though I am guessing at the focus atm.


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Aug 23, 2013 21:30 |  #3

If you can live with a prime at these focal lengths, and don't mind no filters (or doing a DIY job of installing filters), then the rokinon 14 may be a good choice. On the other hand, I want live view for landscapes, so I would pick the 60D over the 5D for the job, which makes the 14mm much less attractive.


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Aug 23, 2013 21:32 |  #4

I am very pleased with my efs 10-22, really fun lens.




  
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Aug 23, 2013 21:33 as a reply to  @ Sirrith's post |  #5

14mm = 22.4mm on a 1.6 crop. barely UW, fixed length and does not AF.

the "best" UW for a 1.6 crop is the canon 10-22mm


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Aug 23, 2013 22:16 |  #6
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ed rader wrote in post #16234905 (external link)
14mm = 22.4mm on a 1.6 crop. barely UW, fixed length and does not AF.

the "best" UW for a 1.6 crop is the canon 10-22mm

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Aug 23, 2013 22:57 |  #7

Best ultra wide is the Zeiss 15mm But who can afford it.
For crop I recommend the 10-22mm Canon. It wins in distortion and flare. However Tokina 11-16 is a bit sharper.


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Aug 23, 2013 23:49 |  #8

for landscape get 10-22. it has great range and optical performance. rokinon 14 is not a bad choice, but no filters, and more distortion. sharpness is excellent, and I think bandh has is for 299 right now. I am not a big fan of shooting landscape with primes, except tilt shift lenses.
tokina will be a little better wide open, and stopped down, but more limited range.
You can actually use both tokina and canon 10-22 on your 5d. the canon mount has to be modified (take something of the back, google it) though you have to be care full and not zoom it out past 14 mm I believe, or it will hit the mirror. the tokina you can mount, and get full circle at 16 mm


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Aug 24, 2013 00:04 |  #9

why do you want to stop down to f22??

I'd buy something for your 5D instead of your 60D...


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Aug 24, 2013 03:01 |  #10

no love for sigma 10-20 here? I love mine ...


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Aug 24, 2013 03:23 |  #11

Canon 10-22 for me.


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Aug 24, 2013 03:33 |  #12

10-22 is the best.

But why f22? It's not like you need it for DoF and you're going to be entering the realm of easily visible diffraction blur.


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Aug 25, 2013 13:42 |  #13

Mornnb wrote in post #16235082 (external link)
Best ultra wide is the Zeiss 15mm But who can afford it.
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As it isn't really a UWA on crop it can't really be best ;).




  
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Aug 25, 2013 13:47 |  #14

If you need a zoom with AF, The Tokina 11-16 is unbeatable. Especially the v2.
For primes I am exceptionally happy with the Samyang 14mm (same as Rokinon and Bower)
For the price difference it's almost in the IQ league of my Zeiss 21mm.


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Aug 25, 2013 15:20 |  #15

Are you aware that the Rokinon/Samyang/Bower/​Vivitar/ProOptic/etc. 14mm f2.8 also cannot take filters (unless you rig something up)? The Canon 14mm can take a gel filter on the rear element, but it costs about 6X or 7X as much. That's a lot to pay for a filter holder! Oh, and autofocus.

Are you aware of diffraction? Do you know that the optimal aperture on your 60D is about f7.1 and on 5D classic about f10, to minimize loss to diffraction. f8 and f11 respectively will be fine, diffraction only barely starting. f11 and f16 respectively will show a bit more. At f22 on either format, diffraction will be rather heavy. And at anything smaller there would be huge loss of fine detail to diffraction. Hell, most large format ultrawides don't even offer apertures beyond f22 (Schneider 47mm (external link), for example, f5.6-16). If you need more depth of field than you get with an ultrawide and f8 or f16, you'll need to go to a TS-E 17mm and utilize the tilt mechanism to control DOF. Of course, that ain't cheap... and it can't be fitted with filters up front (but I think has a gel filter slot on the back).

Of the lenses you list, the Canon 10-22mm will be the best on your 60D. Without modification, it will not be usable on your 5D (and will vignette anyway). If you only need to use on your 60D, this would be a great choice... it's very sharp from edge to edge, has little vignetting and is unusually flare resistant (flare is more likely to be an issue with ultrawides, since the wider view makes it more likely you'll end up with a strong specular light source in the image). The 10-22mm's matched lens hood is very large and a bit of a pain to pack, but it works even though it's quite shallow. I tried to do without it, but after testing with and without I just bite my lip and make it fit in my bag now. I also hate that Canon sells lens hoods separately on so many lenses, including this one. They should include them like all the third party lens makers do (and Canon does with most L-series).

You didn't list the Tokina 12-24/4, but I will. I'd rank it second best. It is a "crop only" lens, but can be used on your 5D to about 18 or 19mm wide without any modification. Any wider than that on the FF camera and it will vignette.

The Tokina 11-16mm is similar quality, may even be a little sharper, but is more prone to flare and to get f2.8 (which IMO is largely unnecessary on an ultrawide for most mortal photograhphers), you give up a lot of focal distance range, and pay a higher price. The 11-16mm is partially usable on FF, only at the 16mm setting. Any wider and it vignettes heavily.

The Sigma 8-16mm is insanely wide. In fact it's the widest tlens available short of a fisheye. It costs accordingly and, yes, it can't take filters (unless you kluge something).

Have you considered simply getting a 17-40L to use on your 5D? It's one of the more affordable Ls... not much more than the 10-22mm or Sigma 8-16mm. 17mm wide on FF is pretty close to 10mm on crop (you might need to take one or two steps backward to get the same angle of view). If you ever feel the need for even wider, you could just add the Roki/Sam/Viv/Bow/etc. 14mm. The only thing any wider for FF is the Sigma 12-24 (though I've heard rumor Tokina might be offering something soon). There is a Sigma 16-28mm too, that's a FF lens... but it has a protruding front element that makes filter usage difficult.


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