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The 7D or the 5Dmk III for birding.

 
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Aug 27, 2013 16:11 |  #16

2loose wrote in post #16245095 (external link)
5D3 hands down. Superb AF and high-iso performance are much more important than "reach" IMO. In the end most likely you will end up cropping your pics regardless what body you use. Besides 5D3 has much better IQ than 7D.

I used to have 7d then upgraded to 1d4 and later acquired 5d3. I owned both 5d3 and 1d4 for a while and sold 1d4 because it's just sitting collecting dust. The IQ of 5D3 is just hard to beat and for me 6fps is all I need. The most important thing is learn the birds behavior, and try to get to birds as close as possible. Most of my bird pics were shot using 5D3. You will benefit "the reach" from crop body if you shoot mostly static-non moving birds, but if you shoot BIF, it's useless, you just cant predict where it comes or goes. It can be really far, which even using 1.6x crop body will not help or coming really close.

The reason you need high iso performance is because sometimes you have to go inside the woods where light is limited or when the weather is ugly. If necessary I would use iso 10000 and up and still get good quality pics, something I would never do with 7D.

Some samples using 5d3 and 300mm 2.8L IS II bare lens and not so much cropping, because those birds were pretty close to me.
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5D3 & 28-300mm @300mm bare lens
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5D3 & 70-200mm @ 200mm bare lens
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Thanks 2loose, I agree, I love the IQ on the 5D MkIII, but my lens reach is pretty poor. What lens are you shooting with? Gorgeous shots, I will have to go look for you on Facebook or G+. :)


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Aug 27, 2013 16:13 |  #17

Well, you guys see my issue now right? Some of you guys say to stick with the 7D and others are saying 5D. Thanks everyone!


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Aug 27, 2013 16:14 |  #18

2loose wrote in post #16245095 (external link)
5D3 hands down. Superb AF and high-iso performance are much more important than "reach" IMO. In the end most likely you will end up cropping your pics regardless what body you use. Besides 5D3 has much better IQ than 7D.

I used to have 7d then upgraded to 1d4 and later acquired 5d3. I owned both 5d3 and 1d4 for a while and sold 1d4 because it's just sitting collecting dust. The IQ of 5D3 is just hard to beat and for me 6fps is all I need. The most important thing is learn the birds behavior, and try to get to birds as close as possible. Most of my bird pics were shot using 5D3. You will benefit "the reach" from crop body if you shoot mostly static-non moving birds, but if you shoot BIF, it's useless, you just cant predict where it comes or goes. It can be really far, which even using 1.6x crop body will not help or coming really close.

The reason you need high iso performance is because sometimes you have to go inside the woods where light is limited or when the weather is ugly. If necessary I would use iso 10000 and up and still get good quality pics, something I would never do with 7D.

Some samples using 5d3 and 300mm 2.8L IS II bare lens and not so much cropping, because those birds were pretty close to me.
QUOTED IMAGE
IMAGE LINK: http://www.flickr.com …/26237927@N02/8​983507819/  (external link)
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Swallow in Flight (external link) by tulus simatupang (external link), on Flickr


5D3 & 28-300mm @300mm bare lens
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5D3 & 70-200mm @ 200mm bare lens
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Bald Eagle, Vancouver, BC (external link) by tulus simatupang (external link), on Flickr

That 600mm F4 is what I need. Great shot!


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Aug 27, 2013 16:18 |  #19

Just go and get the shots, it doesn't really matter what the kit is, it's the end result that matters, far to much gear arguing.


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Aug 27, 2013 16:38 |  #20

RLJSlick wrote in post #16245102 (external link)
Thanks 2loose, I agree, I love the IQ on the 5D MkIII, but my lens reach is pretty poor. What lens are you shooting with? Gorgeous shots, I will have to go look for you on Facebook or G+. :)

I use both 300mm & 600mm, but the samples I showed above were at 200mm-300mm range


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Aug 27, 2013 16:41 |  #21

2loose wrote in post #16245167 (external link)
I use both 300mm & 600mm, for small birds in flight, but the samples I showed above were at 200mm-300mm range

gotcha. Nice work. found your Flickr page.


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Aug 27, 2013 16:48 |  #22

Thanks Rick!


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Aug 27, 2013 18:36 |  #23

You may well have had conflicting advice but Scott M was the only person who backed up his statements with actual pictures. Enough said...............:D


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Aug 27, 2013 23:12 |  #24

h14nha wrote in post #16245407 (external link)
You may well have had conflicting advice but Scott M was the only person who backed up his statements with actual pictures. Enough said...............:D

Indeed, and much appreciated. :)


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