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Aug 30, 2013 18:39 |  #106
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Lead, Follow, or Get Out of the Way ..
Canon used to Lead.
Now they Follow.
Perhaps Get Out of the Way is next.


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Aug 30, 2013 19:22 |  #107
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EL_PIC wrote in post #16254669 (external link)
Lead, Follow, or Get Out of the Way ..
Canon used to Lead.
Now they Follow.
Perhaps Get Out of the Way is next.

Yep, soon as you stop innovating, you start to follow.




  
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Aug 30, 2013 19:47 |  #108

I had nikon d7000 and switched to canon since i dont like the reddish color tone they produce at high iso. I observed similar problem occurs with their d800. Dr wise they win but color accuracy wise, i'll stick with canon.




  
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Aug 30, 2013 19:56 |  #109

ICarumba wrote in post #16254824 (external link)
I had nikon d7000 and switched to canon since i dont like the reddish color tone they produce at high iso. I observed similar problem occurs with their d800. Dr wise they win but color accuracy wise, i'll stick with canon.


yes, Canon certainly kills Nikon in the image quality dept. (at least for crop models) and in color accuracy, especially skin tones.

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Aug 30, 2013 22:24 as a reply to  @ watt100's post |  #110

I forgot to mention even reducing the kelvin won't help, the red yellow tones still there. It's very bad. Some photographers said the newer nikon camera produce greenish color pictures, i dont really notice it, but the red yellow color on high iso is very noticable and very unpleasant.




  
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Aug 30, 2013 23:24 |  #111

EL_PIC wrote in post #16254669 (external link)
Lead, Follow, or Get Out of the Way ..
Canon used to Lead.
Now they Follow.
Perhaps Get Out of the Way is next.

The lens team is leading. The sensor team appears to be asleep. However saying that, Canon is still ahead in high ISO noise. It's the dynamic range where no progress has been made. Nikon has a massive two stop advantage.


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Aug 30, 2013 23:36 as a reply to  @ Mornnb's post |  #112

what is the real benefit on having higher dynamic range? nikon d700, d3s has dynamic range almost equal to 5d m2, however my fellow photographer likes it better than the newer nikon cameras like d800 or d4




  
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Aug 30, 2013 23:49 |  #113

ICarumba wrote in post #16255298 (external link)
what is the real benefit on having higher dynamic range?

Is that a real question?


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Aug 31, 2013 00:00 |  #114

ICarumba wrote in post #16255298 (external link)
what is the real benefit on having higher dynamic range?

It's important to architecture and landscape photographers. In fact it's more important to these photographers than anything else.
If you're photographing a sunset, you're dealing with a bright sun, and often dark water and shadowed rocks etc.
If you're photographing a skyscraper, the top of the building is going to be brightly lit and the street level will all be in shadow.

Neutral graduated filters can only do so much, it helps to have a camera with a lot of data in the shadows and highlights for flexibility in post production.


For these reasons, Nikon is clearly in the lead for landscape. As well with the quality of their wide angles such as the 14-24mm 2.8.
For portraits and other such photography though, dynamic range doesn't matter much at all.
For sports, Canon is in the lead with their quality telescopic lenses and the 1DX's 14FPS, and on the crop side of things the 7D with it's 8FPS.

Landscape photographers have a lot to complain about with Canon's image sensors. But it doesn't matter a whole lot to anyone else.


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Aug 31, 2013 00:02 |  #115
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Why not just do HDR?




  
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Aug 31, 2013 00:09 |  #116

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Why not just do HDR?

Because one tends to get less fake looking results by adjusting the shadows and highlights. HDR can be tricky to work with.


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Aug 31, 2013 02:26 |  #117

gjl711 wrote in post #16253363 (external link)
I think that's what jdizzle just said.

Unless I'm mistaken, he said he wants to bring FF into the discussion. I don't see a point since Nikon owns APS-C as well.




  
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Aug 31, 2013 02:28 |  #118

gjl711 wrote in post #16253375 (external link)
Keep in mind that this is the "Equipment talk" forum where folks can come to discuss all things equipment related down to the minutest detail. Telling someone to just go out and shoot and that the tool is not important sort of goes against the whole point of this forum. For those that do not want to participate in equipment discussions, there are plenty of sharing forums as well where the whole point is to go out and shoot.

I agree.

I just went through CR and one of the authors said his experience don't always agrees with what DxO says. lol! It's so stupid to even state that because while someone may not agree with DxO's assessment, that doesn't mean their numbers/assessment are inaccurate.




  
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Aug 31, 2013 02:33 |  #119

ICarumba wrote in post #16255298 (external link)
what is the real benefit on having higher dynamic range? nikon d700, d3s has dynamic range almost equal to 5d m2, however my fellow photographer likes it better than the newer nikon cameras like d800 or d4

Umm, the D700 and D3s dynamic range advantage is very noticable over 5Dmark 2.




  
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Aug 31, 2013 02:33 |  #120

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As does olympus's newest m4/3 cameras.

Actually have been wondering if I should keep my canon kit. At this point it looks like if Olympus releases their 2.8 70-200 equal zoom as well with the e-m1 and the test results shows their new PAF on sensor is good, I might very well do that as I really enjoy the small size. And selling all my canon kit would let me fund all the lens I want/need.

My two cent is that I was hoping the new APS-C sensor will put canon back into the game crop wise but it's a disappointment. That and they don't seem to have any plans to update the 17-55 means they are no longer an attractive option. Even the 18mp sensor is let down by the 17-55. The 20 is not going to make that lens look that much better.

I just went through your website and it seems like you're shooting portraits and wedding. I'm not sure if having more DR will make much of a difference for what you're doing. Others can probably do a better job answering that question.

No, Olympus will not release their 70-200mm equivalent in 2013. It's 2014 at the earliest so you're going to have to look at Panasonic if you want that lens right now..

I've been shooting with m4/3 for the last couple of years, but I do miss having a DSLR which is why I'm thinking of buying a 70D despite its average sensor. The features on the 70D does make it a compelling package.




  
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