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Sep 01, 2013 00:49 |  #1

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as above - sometimes the red lights at the location is overly strong that i can't seem to fix using WB temp/tint or reducing luminance on the red channel.

what exactly should i do on LR in order to restore those accurate colours?

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Sep 01, 2013 02:18 |  #2

First off shoot Raw! If you don't shoot with an accurate White Balance Raw is your "bestest friend"!


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Sep 01, 2013 02:46 |  #3

The definition of blown out means the information is lost. You can't fix it.


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Sep 01, 2013 09:04 |  #4

I get the feeling that your problem is not so much that the red channel is blown, but that you are effectively dealing with monochromatic red light. If you ONLY have red light then there will be no data in the green or blue channels. WB deals with the situation where there is a preponderance of one colour in a broad spectrum of light, as there is still data available in the other channels to balance out the colour cast. With only having light in the red channel you have no other data to extrapolate the "correct" colour from. If you light a blue or green object using just red light then both objects will appear black, or a shade of red depending on the exact colour.

Sorry but I don't think there will be much you can do if you are dealing with what is pretty much monochromatic light. The only possible answer would be to find a way of adding some blue/green light to the subject.

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Sep 01, 2013 10:29 as a reply to  @ BigAl007's post |  #5

I don't have LR, but there is a method using Apply Image in Photoshop that might help. I'm guessing your example is heavily cropped and/or underexposed a bit. Anyway, here is my guess on the image. Still needs work, but you get the ideal.

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Sep 01, 2013 11:28 |  #6

Is it possible to upload an example image (to a file sharing site like Dropbox) for further analysis?

Raw is preferable.

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Sep 01, 2013 18:07 |  #7

There's not any metadata in the OP image either. If you used LR or ACR on a Raw file an xmp detailing your editing should have been embedded in the jpg. DPP would have embedded a vrd.


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Sep 03, 2013 07:05 |  #8

D Thompson wrote in post #16258489 (external link)
I don't have LR, but there is a method using Apply Image in Photoshop that might help. I'm guessing your example is heavily cropped and/or underexposed a bit. Anyway, here is my guess on the image. Still needs work, but you get the ideal.

mind sharing more details or a link where i can read up on the method? seems that i need to do some guesswork to get the right colors using this method.

not convenient to share the raw file this time round as there are identifiable figures inside. will re-post if i encounter the same situation again.

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Sep 03, 2013 08:27 |  #9

"Restoring" a clipped channel in PS: http://luminous-landscape.com …als/restore-clipped.shtml (external link)

In LR, chosing a different DNG profile can help, as well as altering dome other settings. Some idea's:
http://www.getcolorman​aged.com/lightroom/lig​htroom-blues/ (external link) (scroll down)


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Sep 03, 2013 11:45 |  #10

the.forumer wrote in post #16263643 (external link)
mind sharing more details or a link where i can read up on the method?

There are different ways to accomplish replacing the info in a channel and this sounds more difficult than it actually is.

In this case activate the Blue channel (the channel that needs fixing) and then Image/Apply Image. Choose the Red channel as source, blend mode Normal at 100%. Now activate the Red channel and Image/Apply Image. Choose the Red channel as source, blend mode Multiply at 80%. Now activate the Blue channel and Image/Apply Image. Use the Green channel as source and blend mode to Multiply at 100%. Activate the Red channel and Image/Apply Image. Use the Green channel as source and blend mode to Multiply at 85% (in the book she used 30%, but I found 85-90% worked better here). Now use a Curve or Level adjustment to set your white and black points.

You can change the channels around if you need to rebuild another channel. Again, it’s not as difficult as it appears to use this method.

** Credit for this goes to Katrin Eismann from “Photoshop Restoration & Retouching” second edition. Check her book out, I’ve found it invaluable over the years.


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Sep 03, 2013 14:59 |  #11

D Thompson wrote in post #16264310 (external link)
There are different ways to accomplish replacing the info in a channel and this sounds more difficult than it actually is.

In this case activate the Blue channel (the channel that needs fixing) and then Image/Apply Image. Choose the Red channel as source, blend mode Normal at 100%. Now activate the Red channel and Image/Apply Image. Choose the Red channel as source, blend mode Multiply at 80%. Now activate the Blue channel and Image/Apply Image. Use the Green channel as source and blend mode to Multiply at 100%. Activate the Red channel and Image/Apply Image. Use the Green channel as source and blend mode to Multiply at 85% (in the book she used 30%, but I found 85-90% worked better here). Now use a Curve or Level adjustment to set your white and black points.

You can change the channels around if you need to rebuild another channel. Again, it’s not as difficult as it appears to use this method.

** Credit for this goes to Katrin Eismann from “Photoshop Restoration & Retouching” second edition. Check her book out, I’ve found it invaluable over the years.

Good info, except the OP is asking about using LR (presumably Photoshop is not an option).


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Sep 03, 2013 16:10 |  #12

tonylong wrote in post #16264906 (external link)
Good info, except the OP is asking about using LR (presumably Photoshop is not an option).

He asked.

the.forumer wrote in post #16263643 (external link)
D Thompson wrote in post #16258489 (external link)
I don't have LR, but there is a method using Apply Image in Photoshop that might help. I'm guessing your example is heavily cropped and/or underexposed a bit. Anyway, here is my guess on the image. Still needs work, but you get the ideal.

mind sharing more details or a link where i can read up on the method?


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Sep 04, 2013 06:45 |  #13

René Damkot wrote in post #16263801 (external link)
"Restoring" a clipped channel in PS: http://luminous-landscape.com …als/restore-clipped.shtml (external link)

In LR, chosing a different DNG profile can help, as well as altering dome other settings. Some idea's:
http://www.getcolorman​aged.com/lightroom/lig​htroom-blues/ (external link) (scroll down)

Hi, thanks for your link!

This is exactly the problem i'm facing. looking at your red clipped image (hope you don't mind me linking it here), is it as close as you can get in LR? how can we further restore the 'humane colours' on the guitarist's skin/clothes?

p.s. : under stage lighting, it'd probably look weird for the human to be represented in accurate colors, with the stage flooded in red. i'm asking for the technique when the scenario calls for it.

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Sep 04, 2013 06:46 |  #14

tonylong wrote in post #16264906 (external link)
Good info, except the OP is asking about using LR (presumably Photoshop is not an option).

yup - LR is most preferred.. failing which I'd have to fall back on PS (if that's the only way to restore the colors)..




  
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Sep 05, 2013 06:30 |  #15

the.forumer wrote in post #16266791 (external link)
is it as close as you can get in LR?

Didn't try to go further, since IMO it should be red ;)

Don't think you'll get it (even close to) neutral though, since the lighting is about monochromatic.


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