HumblePhotographer Member 87 posts Joined Aug 2013 More info | Sep 03, 2013 08:36 | #1 This is my first real attempt to do a pano shot. This is lower manhattan shot from new jersey side.  
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Sep 03, 2013 10:36 | #3 personally, I would get in MUCH closer (even telephoto possibly) and use a longer focal length to control distortion. Sony A7siii/A7iv/ZV-1 - FE 24/1.4 - SY 24/2.8 - FE 35/2.8 - FE 50/1.8 - FE 85/1.8 - F 600/5.6 - CZ 100-300 - Tamron 17-28/2.8 - 28-75/2.8 - 28-200 RXD
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Sep 03, 2013 10:49 | #4 Charlie wrote in post #16264115 personally, I would get in MUCH closer (even telephoto possibly) and use a longer focal length to control distortion. The problem is, both my 24-70 II at tele and 70-200 at any focal length is not that great in terms of CA and sharpness. 24-70 after 50mm has massive CA around the corners and 70-200 pretty much from 90mm to 150mm has lots of softness around the corners. So I did try that but did not really come out great
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UKmitch86 Senior Member  More info | Sep 03, 2013 11:26 | #5 Humble Photographer wrote in post #16264139 The problem is, both my 24-70 II at tele and 70-200 at any focal length is not that great in terms of CA and sharpness. 24-70 after 50mm has massive CA around the corners and 70-200 pretty much from 90mm to 150mm has lots of softness around the corners. So I did try that but did not really come out great  Spoken like a true gearhead! Canon 1Ds3 | 16-35/4 | 50/1.8 | 135/2
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Sep 03, 2013 18:47 | #6 UKmitch86 wrote in post #16264260 Spoken like a true gearhead! Seriously, you are NOT limited by your gear. I will try the 70-200 to see how it works out with the pano, I'm quite curious myself.
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amfoto1 Cream of the Crop 10,331 posts Likes: 146 Joined Aug 2007 Location: San Jose, California More info | Sep 03, 2013 19:17 | #7 A little constructive criticism...  I don't know why, but unlevel horizons and tilted verticals always jump right out at me.... according to Photoshop it was .70 degrees of rotation to correct it. Less than I thought. Alan Myers
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Sep 03, 2013 19:37 | #8 amfoto1 wrote in post #16265580 A little constructive criticism... Watch your horizon lines. Water can't be tilted like that. It's a good 3 to 5 degrees off level, maybe more. Might I suggest you learn how to use the electronic level in the camera or get one of those little bubble levels that slip into the hotshoe of the camera. I had both the camera and the ball head level right on dot, I'm not sure what you mean by horizon lines.
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SkipD Cream of the Crop  20,476 posts Likes: 165 Joined Dec 2002 Location: Southeastern WI, USA More info | Sep 03, 2013 19:47 | #9 amfoto1 wrote in post #16265580 Watch your horizon lines. Water can't be tilted like that. It's a good 3 to 5 degrees off level, maybe more. Humble Photographer wrote in post #16265637 I had both the camera and the ball head level right on dot, I'm not sure what you mean by horizon lines. I believe amfoto1 was looking at the far shoreline and noticing that it was not parallel to the bottom of the image. However, I saw that building sides were parallel to the sides of the image. I believe that the "horizon" looks the way it does because of the varying distance from the camera across the image. Skip Douglas
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amfoto1 Cream of the Crop 10,331 posts Likes: 146 Joined Aug 2007 Location: San Jose, California More info | Sep 03, 2013 20:03 | #10 SkipD wrote in post #16265665 I believe amfoto1 was looking at the far shoreline and noticing that it was not parallel to the bottom of the image. However, I saw that building sides were parallel to the sides of the image. I believe that the "horizon" looks the way it does because of the varying distance from the camera across the image. No, I was looking at the buildings... AFAIK, Manhatten doesn't lean to the right. There's a little distortion at the extreme right and extreme left... but the buildings in the center should be vertical at this distance and centered in the vertical axis of the frame. Alan Myers
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Sep 03, 2013 20:46 | #11 Alan, all the buildings in the center appear vertical except the Freedom Tower. I think the reason for this is that the building is not prismatic.  Image hosted by forum (661404) © MakisM1 [SHARE LINK] THIS IS A LOW QUALITY PREVIEW. Please log in to see the good quality stuff. My snapshot... Gerry
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Sep 04, 2013 08:02 | #12 amfoto1 wrote in post #16265580 A little constructive criticism... Watch your horizon lines. Water can't be tilted like that. And as far as I know, most of the buildings in Manhatten are vertical, not leaning to the right. It's a good 3 to 5 degrees off level, maybe more. Might I suggest you learn how to use the electronic level in the camera or get one of those little bubble levels that slip into the hotshoe of the camera. EDIT: I hope you don't mind, I took the liberty of downloading and straightening the image (you don't indicate in your profile if image editing is okay). Here's how it looks after levelling the horizon (actually I used the vertical of the Freedom Tower as a guide), I needed to crop slightly too... I don't know why, but unlevel horizons and tilted verticals always jump right out at me.... according to Photoshop it was .70 degrees of rotation to correct it. Less than I thought. That's perfectly fine! amfoto1 wrote in post #16265712 No, I was looking at the buildings... AFAIK, Manhatten doesn't lean to the right. There's a little distortion at the extreme right and extreme left... but the buildings in the center should be vertical at this distance and centered in the vertical axis of the frame. How can I fix the distortion? Would it make a difference if a 24 TS-E II were used?
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Sep 04, 2013 08:54 | #13 Humble Photographer wrote in post #16266928 That's perfectly fine!  How did you manage to straighten the image? Did you use LR or something else?How can I fix the distortion? Would it make a difference if a 24 TS-E II were used? I guess photoshop. There you could do it within 10 seconds Sony A7RII | Sony A7S
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Sep 04, 2013 11:04 | #14 First thing I noticed on the original post was it wasn't level! 5Diii | 35/2IS | 100/2.8L | 300/4L
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amfoto1 Cream of the Crop 10,331 posts Likes: 146 Joined Aug 2007 Location: San Jose, California More info | Sep 04, 2013 11:33 | #15 Yes, I used Photoshop... Turned on rulers and pulled horizontal and vertical guides out to check it. Zoomed way in onto the central buildings, especially the Freedom Tower since it's the tallest (and the most important one to be plumb).... I referenced the antenna spire on top of the Freedom Tower, more than the building itself (the building has some slight taper). Viewed at this distance, the antenna spire should be vertical. This made it easy to see what's going on and that the whole image was off level/plumb slightly. In this case the horizontal guide didn't help because the waterfront is too uneven. Verticals are often more reliable anyway. Here's a crop from the original, before I did any straightening, with the vertical guide shown.  Again, it wasn't a lot (less than 1 degree according to Photoshop). But for some reason I have always picked up on anything slightly out of plumb or off level. Both in photos and back when I was in constuction, it just seems to jump out at me when something is off even a little. And, overall it's a great result from a first attempt.... and 52 individual images is more of a Gigapan image, than a pano! In this case, I really wouldn't worry too much about other lens distortions... They are minor and sort of shape the image so that your eye is drawn into the center. But they also could be tweaked and corrected with Photoshop, though it would be a fairly big job because you'd likely have to treat differently in different parts of the image. There are also some fairly automatic lens correction profiles... in Lightroom, in Canon DPP, offered by DxO, and others. However, I don't know if those would help here, because this is a pano combining two or more images. To use any ready made lens profiles, it would probably be necessary to correct the individual images first, before stitching them together. Often when you stitch together an image with any software that does it fairly automatically, you'll find you need to straighten some things and recrop later. This is a pano of three images made with an ultrawide (Tokina 12-24 on a 7D, handheld)...  It required some straightening and cropping... but I didn't try to dial out any distortions or lens curvature (the bushes in the lower corners are actually part of a straight hedge I was shooting over). I was more concerned that someone was walking across the view when I was making the shots and showed up three times in the final composite image. (Cloned two of em out!) Alan Myers
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