Canon 5dmkII vs Nikon D7100 IQ

Neilyb wrote in post #16303040
Firstly, here in Europe at least, everyone has the right to try something and if they do not like it if bought online, return it. For whatever reason. Then the retailer should return it to where it came from and that will be sold as refurb or whatever. I know people who buy from amazon, use something for a week then send it back, cheaper than renting for sure. But it is LEGAL over here.

In store stuff is different, becasue you had it in your hands before you bought it. But if someone points you wrong then you have rights and the shop has an obligation to make you happy.

Back on track here, why would you think a crop sensor camera would match a seriously good full frame camera? I am not blaming you but there is way too much BS and marketing leading people wrong, in pretty much every product on the market. But the internet is full of test and reviews and samples, just a question of homework.

I was going to keep the camera, but about the flash not being suited, even on manual mode which is what I would set it to, im taking it back, but they should give better infos at that store, even if its a future shop.

The D7100 is a great camera for a cropped body, and i love it overall, the kind of pics i do needs flash.

The best homework is to be in a live situation with gear.

5DM2User wrote in post #16303046
Well, i wish every new camera and every new lens would be in a sealed box !
Every factory should do that ! Because a sealed box is the ONLY way to see if it is 100% new. And yes, i would hate it to.... to pay the full price for a second hand thing.
Maybe it did go back to some store because of the matter of fact it was only a 98% lens. And it should go back to the factory not to me.... just an example.

IF the seal is open ? It is NOT new anymore... did you drop it ?
Did you got some lucky day and drop it without any damage ?
Isn't funny.... happens with some computer stuff to !!

And.... there is soooo much of BS about the 5D Mark II.... it is NOT Canon's Best Of All Time Digital camera !! But why are some pro's still using it ??
Just like the BS about Tamron's....... IF money would grow on tree's ? I would have some tree's here... and some nice camera's and some lenses....

Very true,
I purchase my 5dII has a open box, had no problems,
I took good care of the D7100, has I do with all the stuff I own

Lesson learned. The kids they have working in Future Shop and Best Buy, don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground.

1Tanker wrote in post #16303104
Lesson learned. The kids they have working in Future Shop and Best Buy, don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground.

In a way yes, the salesman knew a lot of stuff, but about the flash, i could use experts.
Everyone makes mistakes, i orderer a item at B&H once, after chatting with a salesman, he sent me the wrong cable.

About the IQ of the 5dmkII, it amaze me at how its still good even after all these years, my only problem is the viewfinder could be brighter, like the Nikon D7100 which is great.
The 70d must be great too

If this is a discussion about IQ, it sure would be nice to see one set of pics testing out the DR as the 7100 has a significant advantage on paper. Can you post up a couple samples showing the difference. And the second would be the increase in resolution. A sample, preferable a 100% crop, showing the difference again would be appreciated.

gjl711 wrote in post #16303171
If this is a discussion about IQ, it sure would be nice to see one set of pics testing out the DR as the 7100 has a significant advantage on paper. Can you post up a couple samples showing the difference. And the second would be the increase in resolution. A sample, preferable a 100% crop, showing the difference again would be appreciated.

Hello, I got about 50 pics that I shot, I could post some, but i'm leaving for work, later ok?

panicatnabisco wrote in post #16302632
Wow you racked up 200 shots and returned it? You're one of those guys . Who cares about IQ, what you did was pretty lame. I hope they dont let you refund the 70D.

Hee..hee, I think this is what keeps the CLP program going

Gregg.Siam wrote in post #16302562
So you bought a camera, used it, then returned it? That seems unfair to the seller if they now have to give you a 100% refund and sell it as used. If they will sell it as new, then it is not fair for the next guy that buys it.

I hope when you say "try out the 70D" you mean you will use it in the store or rent one. I would hate to be the guy that gets stuck buying cameras you decided to try out and return.

That is not the OP's responsibility, that is the responsibility of the store. Please let's not get into those discussions here again. Let's keep the topic on track, and not get into the entire consumer expectation vs retailer responsibility thing, because the original topic is MUCH more interesting than discussing the rights of the consumer to return items they don't like vs their expectations to have new items. I would love to see samples of the differences, if anyone has any.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #16303494
That is not the OP's responsibility, that is the responsibility of the store. Please let's not get into those discussions here again. Let's keep the topic on track, and not get into the entire consumer expectation vs retailer responsibility thing, because the original topic is MUCH more interesting than discussing the rights of the consumer to return items they don't like vs their expectations to have new items. I would love to see samples of the differences, if anyone has any.

I agree and I would love to see some decent side by side tests as well especially is some care was taken to make it an apples to apples comparison and not just some shooting out the window stuff.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #16303494
That is not the OP's responsibility, that is the responsibility of the store. Please let's not get into those discussions here again. Let's keep the topic on track, and not get into the entire consumer expectation vs retailer responsibility thing, because the original topic is MUCH more interesting than discussing the rights of the consumer to return items they don't like vs their expectations to have new items. I would love to see samples of the differences, if anyone has any.

not really 5D2 vs D7100, but one of the best dynamic range tests I've seen with good amounts of camera bodies (6D, 5DM3, D800, D600, D5100, and D7100):

http://www.fredmiranda​.com …/topic/1240428/​0#11800112

TeamSpeed wrote in post #16303494
That is not the OP's responsibility, that is the responsibility of the store. Please let's not get into those discussions here again. Let's keep the topic on track, and not get into the entire consumer expectation vs retailer responsibility thing, because the original topic is MUCH more interesting than discussing the rights of the consumer to return items they don't like vs their expectations to have new items. I would love to see samples of the differences, if anyone has any.

Thanks for your kind words, its a good thing people like you are here, cause I was about to delete POTN from Mac.

I never ever returned a camera unless something bugs me, like the sale mans told me my flash would work in "manual" mode, on the hotshoe from the camera.
Anyway, I might keep it, since its a wonderful camera all around, or exchange it for the 70D, which I could use as a transmitter for my flash, which is why I need another camera, and a great autofocus, nothing wrong with the 5DmkII so far, but on some occasion such as taking models as they catwalk, I need a fast autofocus!

I'll have some pics for a member on my flickr account so he pixel peep at the 5D and the D7100!

again thx for the nice words!

Don't worry about, people need to spend more time looking at glass, whether its their lenses or a mirror...

The customer is always right, which means if a customer buys something, and returns it, provided they meet the guidelines of the retailer and being honest in their return, then it is their prerogative to do so. Any worries others have about getting something barely used and having to pay a new price for it is between them and the retailer.

I look forward to the comparisons, just try to keep the exposures identical, I would like to see how metering differs too, not just IQ.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #16304496
Don't worry about, people need to spend more time looking at glass, whether its their lenses or a mirror...

The customer is always right, which means if a customer buys something, and returns it, provided they meet the guidelines of the retailer and being honest in their return, then it is their prerogative to do so. Any worries others have about getting something barely used and having to pay a new price for it is between them and the retailer.

I look forward to the comparisons, just try to keep the exposures identical, I would like to see how metering differs too, not just IQ.

I am uploading the files on flickr as now, be patient, its worth it.
I will give you my flickr nick in a private message

gjl711 wrote in post #16303531
I agree and I would love to see some decent side by side tests as well especially is some care was taken to make it an apples to apples comparison and not just some shooting out the window stuff.

He would have had to standardize lenses across the tests.

Do you think he went out and grabbed the Nikon 70-200 VR2 to use against the 5D2 with canons 70-200 IS2?

The tests are worthless if he hasn't controlled for lens differences.

There is a company that will HotRod a canon 5D... For a hefty price. If I was in the market for a new 5D3, it would be sent out immediately for a filter removal.

There are a lot of sites that have done very carefully controlled tests and I do agree with you that an apples to apples comparison is usually more valuable as the fewer the variables, the easier it is to assess the base performance, but sometimes some real world comparisons can tell you quite a bit as well.