HELP!! 70D vs 7D, which to buy!

CaffeineSTAT wrote in post #16338736
for what it's worth...the claimed improved focus in Live View mode sounded good to my ears. I hate handing my camera to someone else to take a picture I will be in, turning Live View on and have them struggle to get focus...sick of hearing my wife complain about that.

HEAR HEAR! I'm sick of having nearly EVERY shot of myself out of focus because

a) they couldnt use the center focus and recompose
b) they couldnt figure out that pressing half way focuses
c) they couldnt figure out the red flashing squares signals whats in focus
d) they couldnt figure out that capturing the entire area is stupid leaving me looking like an ant in the frame and the camera's autofocus points set to something far behind me

I've basically given up on photographs of myself taken by anyone thats not familiar even with a point and shoot.

ungraphic wrote in post #16338921
HEAR HEAR! I'm sick of having nearly EVERY shot of myself out of focus because

a) they couldnt use the center focus and recompose
b) they couldnt figure out that pressing half way focuses
c) they couldnt figure out the red flashing squares signals whats in focus
d) they couldnt figure out that capturing the entire area is stupid leaving me looking like an ant in the frame and the camera's autofocus points set to something far behind me

I've basically given up on photographs of myself taken by anyone thats not familiar even with a point and shoot.

How do I use this big camera? Where do you look to take the picture? What button do you push to take the picture? «-- The 3 most common questions I get when handing my camera off to someone else.

Well, I've had the 70D for almost two weeks and had a couple tries with it.

My dislikes:

1) The lack of a dedicated White Balance button near the shutter release. This... is a major piss of.
2) The jog-wheel is too close to the LCD screen. When I rotate it around with my thumb, my thumb catches onto the screen. I'm coming off a 50D and that was/is the perfect size.
3) The jog-wheel feels a little flimsy. It doesn't seem as well constructed as my 50D's. I've got a suspicion its going to fail at some point.
4) Overall size of the body doesn't jive with me, still. I'm getting used to it, but I'd prefer something like the 50D.

The lack of a headphone jack for video work is also a major flaw, if only to entice people to move onto a 7D mkII when/if it gets a headphone jack when/if it ever gets released.

I've got a feeling that a 7D mkII will correct the issues I've got with the 70D. The articulating screen... well, I hate extra parts and the screen scares me into thinking its going to snap off. But I did a photoshoot the other day with a T3i (my 50D's sensor is too dirty to take photos at F/8.0 or higher and I didn't have the 70D) and I have to say, the flippy-screen is actually a BIG convenience. I had the camera about two feet below my head on a trip. I didn't have to kneel down 500 times for all the shoes I photographed and saved me a lot of time. I think I'm going to enjoy it even more as I get to do some more video.

Photo quality and all that jazz, we all know its good, so not much to write about there.

Question: Should I ask for an exchange on a more sturdier jog-wheel? The one I got bothers me.

ungraphic wrote in post #16366810
Well, I've had the 70D for almost two weeks and had a couple tries with it.

My dislikes:

1) The lack of a dedicated White Balance button near the shutter release. This... is a major piss of.
2) The jog-wheel is too close to the LCD screen. When I rotate it around with my thumb, my thumb catches onto the screen. I'm coming off a 50D and that was/is the perfect size.
3) The jog-wheel feels a little flimsy. It doesn't seem as well constructed as my 50D's. I've got a suspicion its going to fail at some point.
4) Overall size of the body doesn't jive with me, still. I'm getting used to it, but I'd prefer something like the 50D.

The lack of a headphone jack for video work is also a major flaw, if only to entice people to move onto a 7D mkII when/if it gets a headphone jack when/if it ever gets released.

I've got a feeling that a 7D mkII will correct the issues I've got with the 70D. The articulating screen... well, I hate extra parts and the screen scares me into thinking its going to snap off. But I did a photoshoot the other day with a T3i (my 50D's sensor is too dirty to take photos at F/8.0 or higher and I didn't have the 70D) and I have to say, the flippy-screen is actually a BIG convenience. I had the camera about two feet below my head on a trip. I didn't have to kneel down 500 times for all the shoes I photographed and saved me a lot of time. I think I'm going to enjoy it even more as I get to do some more video.

Photo quality and all that jazz, we all know its good, so not much to write about there.

Question: Should I ask for an exchange on a more sturdier jog-wheel? The one I got bothers me.

Sounds like someone should've tried out their camera before they bought . The 50D was Mag Alloy, so of course it's going to be better built than the plastic fantastic 70D. As far as size goes, I used to have a 40D and it was just about comparible in size to my 7D. As the 7D is slightly larger than the 5DII I would guess the 70D probably is for dainty hands, as it's size is a selling point. As far as the flimsy wheel, well, that's just another plastic part on a plastic camera. If you're preferring to do photoshoots with your T3i and 50D over your new 70D, maybe you should've waited on that purchase. Or simply gotten a 7D, which would've fixed all the problems you have with the 70D (minus the swivel screen).

I've been reading this thread for a while not and one thing has not been addressed and is the resale value of each camera. The 7D has been around for a while now and seems some folk can nab one for around $800-$1000. While the 70D has yet to be determined.

If one were to upgrade to the possible 7D MKII and sell the 7D or the 70D which would give the most bang for the buck to help offset the cost for the newer camera. I feel that the 70D would have a stronger resell value to the average/above average consumer than the 7D. What y'all think.

OuttaCtrl wrote in post #16378037
I've been reading this thread for a while not and one thing has not been addressed and is the resale value of each camera. The 7D has been around for a while now and seems some folk can nab one for around $800-$1000. While the 70D has yet to be determined.

If one were to upgrade to the possible 7D MKII and sell the 7D or the 70D which would give the most bang for the buck to help offset the cost for the newer camera. I feel that the 70D would have a stronger resell value to the average/above average consumer than the 7D. What y'all think.

The 7D I feel was a bit of a unusual camera.
It had one thing that others in a lower price range didn't, speed.
I think that's the reason that the 7D has held it's used price as well as it has.
Now with the 5DMKIII and the 70D coming along with similar frames pre second and focusing, when these cameras start to show up on the used market, the 7D prices will drop like a rock.

davev wrote in post #16378126
The 7D I feel was a bit of a unusual camera.
It had one thing that others in a lower price range didn't, speed.
I think that's the reason that the 7D has held it's used price as well as it has.
Now with the 5DMKIII and the 70D coming along with similar frames pre second and focusing, when these cameras start to show up on the used market, the 7D prices will drop like a rock.

exactly my point. Especially if the mythical 7D MKII comes out then we'll see 7D in the $500 and there will be a plethora on them. While the 5DIII, 6D, or 70D will be in the 1K-2.5K range.

OuttaCtrl wrote in post #16378135
exactly my point. Especially if the mythical 7D MKII comes out then we'll see 7D in the $500 and there will be a plethora on them. While the 5DIII, 6D, or 70D will be in the 1K-2.5K range.

I disagree to an extent. I can find a much better overall deal on a 7D now, than a 70D, provided both satisfied my needs, and when a 7D2 is announced, I would ultimately loose less selling the 7D. The reasons are many, but the 2 immediately come to mind.

• The 7D2 will retail so high that the 7D will retain its value for quite some time until the 7D2 comes down in price a few months after its release.
  
• You don't sell an older body immediately upon the news or release of a new body, that is the worst time to sell. Cameras tend to drop quickly initiallly, then settle back up a bit after the dust settles. This has happened many, many times.
  

TeamSpeed wrote in post #16378158
I disagree to an extent. I can find a much better overall deal on a 7D now, than a 70D, provided both satisfied my needs, and when a 7D2 is announced, I would ultimately loose less selling the 7D. The reasons are many, but the 2 immediately come to mind.

• The 7D2 will retail so high that the 7D will retain its value for quite some time until the 7D2 comes down in price a few months after its release.
  
• You don't sell an older body immediately upon the news or release of a new body, that is the worst time to sell. Cameras tend to drop quickly initiallly, then settle back up a bit after the dust settles. This has happened many, many times.
  

The most recent case of this was the 5D2. When the 5D3 was announced, you could find 5D2s in the $1100-1300 range. Now the prices have settled over time, and the 5D2 has gone back up a bit. The same trend has happened in the past as well. This is usually the case in the higher and mid-range bodies.

That might be so since I am no expert on market trend thus why I posed the question but given the rumors about the 7D MkII being catered more to the video side and costing more significantly the its predecessor it does make the 70D looks much sweeter deal in the long run.

Per canon rumors:
"...One suggestion is the 7D Mark II will become a bit more video oriented. So beyond a “pro” APS-C camera, it will also be highly desirable for the videographer. The camera as such will also retail well above the EOS 70D..."

OuttaCtrl wrote in post #16378175
That might be so since I am no expert on market trend thus why I posed the question but given the rumors about the 7D MkII being catered more to the video side and costing more significantly the its predecessor it does make the 70D looks much sweeter deal in the long run.

Per canon rumors:
"...One suggestion is the 7D Mark II will become a bit more video oriented. So beyond a “pro” APS-C camera, it will also be highly desirable for the videographer. The camera as such will also retail well above the EOS 70D..."

The 7D2 will be no cheaper than $1899. Keep in mind that the 7D, 4 years ago, debuted at $1699. At that price, a used 7D today at $825 isn't going to drop much. Maybe $200 or so initially, then it will swing back up a little bit.

People are now trying to get the same price for 5D2s as the 6D, but when the 6D first hit the stores and people were raving about it, 5D2s were several hundred cheaper.

Here in the UK used values are around $850 trading on the photography forums with 4000 clicks Retailer's selling used are in the $1000 upwards mark. will be interesting to see how prices go with the 70D entering the UK market

Currently a 7D user and the 70D has a number of attractive features, however it isn't a definite "must swap" scenario for me, the 7D is still a darn fine camera. I await the 7D2's announcement with interest.

trying to decide which to get. Moved to the 5d3, and had a 5dc and 40d combo.

Most of my work doesn't involve action, like sports photos. Model/people work with occasional wedding work. Again- this choice would be my backup. I'm favoring the 70D for AF in video mode, but video itself has a huge consideration in post processing requirements.

hawk911 wrote in post #16380356
trying to decide which to get. Moved to the 5d3, and had a 5dc and 40d combo.

Most of my work doesn't involve action, like sports photos. Model/people work with occasional wedding work. Again- this choice would be my backup. I'm favoring the 70D for AF in video mode, but video itself has a huge consideration in post processing requirements.

Cons of the upgrade: Unless you're using this "backup" as a video only camera, I would stick with your current setup. The 5DIII and 5Dc are the best in the business for portrait / wedding IQ quality, and you won't get any discernible IQ difference from the 40D to the 7D / 70D, only more crop space. I've owned the 40D and the 7D, and the speed difference is minimal in real world, unless your subject is REALLY MOVING.

Pros of the upgrade: If you're looking for a better feature set, the 7D is set up a lot like the 5DIII, so switching back and forth would be easier. (Can't speak for the 70D in this regard, never used it.) Get better reach than FF. Get more crop space than the 5Dc / 40D. ISO noise is much better on the 7D than the 40D, and I've heard the 70D is slightly better than the 7D. (Not sure how good the 5Dc is with noise.)