HELP!! 70D vs 7D, which to buy!

i wouldn't mind seeing some of those BIF with the 6D...i feel like, extra "reach", FPS, better AF would favor a 7D over the 6D

I agree with you, I rarely use my 6D for BIF when I have other options (70D). But occasionally I don't and I'm "forced" to use my 6D:

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Very nice!

DreDaze wrote in post #16687965
i wouldn't mind seeing some of those BIF with the 6D...i feel like, extra "reach", FPS, better AF would favor a 7D over the 6D

You'd think so. I found the 6D's center point to be more reliable than the 7D.

Where the 7D wins is acquisition of surprise targets (duck's shooting up from a pond, grouse epxloding from grass behind you, etc).

Mike55 wrote in post #16687963
As they say, it's not about quantity but quality.

I used both cameras side-by-side in a raptor-heavy area of Montana for several months, and the 6D was the clear winner, even heavily cropped. It just took better photos. The 7D noise in the blue channel was especially problematic as well as low light performance.

Also, the 6D could shoot in lighting conditions way beyond that of the 7D thanks to the -3 EV center point focus and the sensor sensitivity.

I'd like to see that "quality". If you used both cameras side by side then you'll have plenty of examples where the 6d was the clear winner..............

Sure, here's a quick one, with many others still waiting to be exported from Lightroom. I'm not going to hang this on my wall or anything, but my 7D wouldn't focus in this lowlight and snow. The 6D's center point was outstanding in the same conditions.

How does that shot show the 6D being better than the 7D. All that shot shows is the 6D can focus in lower light that the 7D. For that matter it would beat the 5D3 ( and maybe the 1Dx too ). We all know it focuses to -3 EV and the 7D can't.
"I'm not going to hang this on my wall or anything", your words. By those words do I take it that you regard it as a record shot only ? If so, what's the point of being able to shoot at -3EV and high ISO if you're not truly happy with the shot. It's for bragging rights only

Mike55 wrote in post #16690043
Sure, here's a quick one, with many others still waiting to be exported from Lightroom. I'm not going to hang this on my wall or anything, but my 7D wouldn't focus in this lowlight and snow. The 6D's center point was outstanding in the same conditions.

Not only did it focus better in lowlight, but the images are strikingly cleaner.

1/800s F/4 ISO320 and the 7D wouldn't focus? I strongly disagree.

Exactly...

Much lower light, no issues... granted they are not in motion, but it wouldn't have mattered. I have shot enough over 4 years to know it would have worked. Lenses matter though when it comes to this, some lenses may not work well with the 7D to lock and track in that situation perhaps.

h14nha wrote in post #16690689
How does that shot show the 6D being better than the 7D. All that shot shows is the 6D can focus in lower light that the 7D. For that matter it would beat the 5D3 ( and maybe the 1Dx too ). We all know it focuses to -3 EV and the 7D can't.
"I'm not going to hang this on my wall or anything", your words. By those words do I take it that you regard it as a record shot only ? If so, what's the point of being able to shoot at -3EV and high ISO if you're not truly happy with the shot. It's for bragging rights only

It completely depends on contrast on the subject material. I have had the 7D lock on in EV-3 and lower in One Shot as long as there was something with a bit of contrast or glint. However, that shot is in no way EV-3. Maybe EV2? Middle of the day with snow.... even with snow clouds, there is plenty of light.

Mike has disliked the 7D from the beginning, I don't even know why he has one. He has been one of the most vocal in every 7D thread. 3 years at a minimum, and going strong. Read through this thread and see his answers to others (attitude and content), then ask yourself "Why does Mike still have a 7D after 3+ years"? We all went round and round with him.

https://photography-on-the.net …hp?t=1044863&hi​ghlight=7d
https://photography-on-the.net …p?p=13764809#po​st13764809

If I cannot get a piece of equipment to work well for what I shoot, and had to complain about it in about every thread, I would have gotten rid of it well under a month, life is too short and the possible equipment list is too large to hold onto such a dud piece of kit. If it is under warranty, I will try once or twice to get it fixed. If it is still not right, it goes on ebay or Amazon, and I might try a different copy or a different model. I would never keep a defective unit. I also wouldn't brand the entire line as bad.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #16690855
Exactly...

Much lower light, no issues... granted they are not in motion, but it wouldn't have mattered. I have shot enough over 4 years to know it would have worked. Lenses matter though when it comes to this, some lenses may not work well with the 7D to lock and track in that situation perhaps.

how long did it take you to blow all those bubbles out there for that shot?

h14nha wrote in post #16690689
How does that shot show the 6D being better than the 7D. All that shot shows is the 6D can focus in lower light that the 7D. For that matter it would beat the 5D3 ( and maybe the 1Dx too ). We all know it focuses to -3 EV and the 7D can't.
"I'm not going to hang this on my wall or anything", your words. By those words do I take it that you regard it as a record shot only ? If so, what's the point of being able to shoot at -3EV and high ISO if you're not truly happy with the shot. It's for bragging rights only

Yeah I sort of get the feeling that not matter what I post, you'll find a way to not be pleased.




Let's just say I own both cameras and use them extensively.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #16690855
Exactly...

Much lower light, no issues... granted they are not in motion, but it wouldn't have mattered. I have shot enough over 4 years to know it would have worked. Lenses matter though when it comes to this, some lenses may not work well with the 7D to lock and track in that situation perhaps.

Very soft images,. Noisy, too, as if taken by a consumer zoom. The 7D AA filter and noise really is chewing these up (something I am very familiar with). But nice captures, especially the ducklings. Cute.

phreeky wrote in post #16690745
1/800s F/4 ISO320 and the 7D wouldn't focus? I strongly disagree.

The 7D has problems auto-focusing in snow.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #16690858
Mike has disliked the 7D from the beginning, I don't even know why he has one. He has been one of the most vocal in every 7D thread. 3 years at a minimum, and going strong. Read through this thread and see his answers to others (attitude and content), then ask yourself "Why does Mike still have a 7D after 3+ years"? We all went round and round with him.

This feels a bit like trolling, Team Speed. I'm not interested in meta or engaging in some sort of battle that doesn't even exist except for your own mind.
And as far as "going strong", I'd look at your 22,000 posts against my 4,000 and come to a different conclusion. I don't post all that much.

This thread is about 70D versus 7D image quality. I posted evidence that indicates the 70D has superior IQ. Then someone made a comment about the 6D over the 7D, and I answered that. Not much more to it than that. Feel free to discuss the RAW crop link I posted (70D versus 7D) or talk about the use of the 6D over the 7D. But I'm not interested in melodrama and personal attacks. Thanks.