HELP!! 70D vs 7D, which to buy!

DreDaze wrote in post #16691847
yeah...big plus one on that...

If you can't see noisy water in the duck shot, then I would suggest an appointment with an optometrist.

And there it is, Mike's back. Telling people their pictures are from point and shoots, and they are physically impaired. Here we go again. This is what got previous threads locked.

Mike55 wrote in post #16691893
If you can't see noisy water in the duck shot, then I would suggest an appointment with an optometrist.

and you're going to tell me you can tell how soft they are at that size as well...

DreDaze wrote in post #16691909
and you're going to tell me you can tell how soft they are at that size as well...

Well ducks are quite soft, especially the small ones, so yes the duck shots are soft!

Strangely, the final processed version used for commercial use actually sold as a 16x20 for a decent amount of money at a cystic fibrosis fundraiser, and never did I get any comments about noise. At least the picture has helped others, much unlike this thread. A slightly cropped version of that final product is below. The picture I included earlier is just the one I save out in my own personal photo gallery.

Didn't TS's post of the crop confirm what I had said originally? Soft and noisy.

So obviously you can tell from 1024x.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #16691900
And there it is, Mike's back. Telling people their pictures are from point and shoots, and they are physically impaired. Here we go again. This is what got previous threads locked.

and there's TS, rushing to the 7D's defense, the ole' time 7D sheriff, pulling up his belt and wagging his finger at the crowd, telling people they're doing it wrong.

I do plan on getting a 70D once they hit the refurb store, and I can use the CLP discount. I want to see how much more detail I can pull over the 7D with moon shots.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #16691912
Well ducks are quite soft, especially the small ones, so yes the duck shots are soft!

Strangely, the final processed version used for commercial use actually sold as a 16x20 for a decent amount of money at a cystic fibrosis fundraiser, and never did I get any comments about noise. At least the picture has helped others, much unlike this thread. A slightly cropped version of that final product is below. The picture I included earlier is just the one I save out in my own personal photo gallery.

Ah, so you did clean up the noise. And, so you can tell on 1024x. Post this one next to the other one and tell me again there's no noise in the first one.

Try to display at least a modicum of intellectual honesty here, TS.

Mike55 wrote in post #16691933
and there's TS, rushing to the 7D's defense, the ole' time 7D sheriff, pulling up his belt and wagging his finger at the crowd, telling people they're doing it wrong.

I am more than willing to point out the flaws, and have many times. I have a very objective view on all the different models. It's too bad you have the attitude you do, because some of us could really help you refine your tools and technique to improve the quality of files you get with your equipment. It is your loss, not mine. At this point, its best I add you to my short list so that I don't feel the urge to reply any longer, as it is a lost cause.

Any ways, back to those that use the 70D and 7D, like Gabe, I am interested in seeing more differences. I would be worried about losing the spot AF mode, I use that quite a bit.

I've noticed that my 70D produces quite the focus shift under different lights. This is nothing new, and has been discussed before in the past involving other Canon bodies. I wish I still had my 7D, this was one of the rare things that I did not directly compare between the 2 bodies when I still had my 7D besides the 70D.

It does change lens by lens, and obviously the faster the lens the more "dramatic" it looks. My 85 1.8 for example is close to spot on in natural light (especially high K light like under a cloudy sky), but indoors, under incandescent lights, it backfocuses so much that it requires about -9 MFA.

It is interesting in a way that I had Canon bodies in the past that did the same thing, but most in the past tended to front focus under incandescent light.

On another note, my 6D doesn't seem to be affected by this, or only just a tiny bit. With the 24-105 f/4L is not a big deal since it is a slower lens. But my Sigma 70-200 2.8 OS also shows this issue, and for some reason my Tamron 24-70 2.8 shows it big time too, a lens that is spot on with the 6D. Funny how generally the 70D and my 6D are calibrated similarly in terms of AF (MFA values roughly the same) but the Tamron lens shows a lot more backfocus on the 70D than on the 6D. The 6D also focuses faster than the 70D with this Tamron lens (which is OK, I pretty much only use it on my 6D, where it is a great lens.)

I just thought I'd mention this in this thread.

TS writes:

Then TS writes:

TeamSpeed wrote in post #16691952
It's too bad you have the attitude you do, because some of us could really help you refine your tools and technique to improve the quality of files you get with your equipment.

You are guilty of doing exactly what you accuse me of.

BTW, that moon shot would never see the light of day outside my copy of Lightroom.

gabebalazs wrote in post #16691984
I've noticed that my 70D produces quite the focus shift under different lights. This is nothing new, and has been discussed before in the past involving other Canon bodies. I wish I still had my 7D, this was one of the rare things that I did not directly compare between the 2 bodies when I still had my 7D besides the 70D.

It does change lens by lens, and obviously the faster the lens the more "dramatic" it looks. My 85 1.8 for example is close to spot on in natural light (especially high K light like under a cloudy sky), but indoors, under incandescent lights, it backfocuses so much that it requires about -9 MFA.

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I see that alot with my 7D, so I expect you would have seen that as well on the 7D, and probably is very nearly identical.

gabebalazs wrote in post #16691984
I've noticed that my 70D produces quite the focus shift under different lights.

My 7D does this as well in what I call "tone" light, that is light that casts one consistent tone on the animal, like red or pink for sunrise and sunset.

This doesn't faze my 6D at all.

Mike55 wrote in post #16691993
BTW, that moon shot would never see the light of day outside my copy of Lightroom.

Ha...but your back of a goose shot flying away was amazing...

DreDaze wrote in post #16692309
Ha...but your back of a goose shot flying away was amazing...

Since I showed that the 7D AF could indeed lock onto subjects in conditions much worse than what was posted originally to rag on the 7D AF, it is a natural inclination to immediately attack the IQ, which is pretty easy for a post-sunset, ISO 6400 slightly underexposed shot. At those ISOs, you better make sure you have nailed exposure properly.

We tried to help years ago too, but all offers were met with disdain or were ignored. I figured a few years would have softened one's demeanor, but I guess I was wrong.

Again, if we stay on topic, I would love to see identical comparison shots between the 7D and 70D. I figure we are only about a month from seeing the 70D on the refurb site.