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Jan 26, 2015 12:30 |  #9046

I don't understand why a couple inches of snow shuts down rail systems. If anything, they are the ones that should be able to keep moving. Only once have I seen weather stop the trains here. We had a record setting blizzard that shut down a huge area. High winds kept visibility to zero for three days straight, and built epic snowdrifts. The only reason the trains stopped here is because the heaters for the siding switch had not yet been set up for winter and when a snowdrift formed over the switch it froze. Three rail crews were sent out to dig it out but none of them made it here. My neighbour dug one of their trucks out of a snowdrift with his backhoe. Eventually the train crew managed to dig it out themselves and force it over into position, but from then on every train was forced onto the siding.
It was a rare case. We had the perfect conditions for really, really dense snow drifts to form. Once the wind died down and we were able to see outside, and to start digging out, I discovered that I was able to drive a tractor on top of the snowdrifts. Only sank an inch or two.

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Jan 26, 2015 13:14 |  #9047

Ian Mackie wrote in post #17401024 (external link)
2-3 inches in the UK cripples some of the bigger cities, and most of the rail system -- don't know why we've never learned from the countries used to regular snow falls.


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I don't understand why a couple inches of snow shuts down rail systems. If anything, they are the ones that should be able to keep moving. Only once have I seen weather stop the trains here. We had a record setting blizzard that shut down a huge area. High winds kept visibility to zero for three days straight, and built epic snowdrifts. The only reason the trains stopped here is because the heaters for the siding switch had not yet been set up for winter and when a snowdrift formed over the switch it froze. Three rail crews were sent out to dig it out but none of them made it here. My neighbour dug one of their trucks out of a snowdrift with his backhoe. Eventually the train crew managed to dig it out themselves and force it over into position, but from then on every train was forced onto the siding.
It was a rare case. We had the perfect conditions for really, really dense snow drifts to form. Once the wind died down and we were able to see outside, and to start digging out, I discovered that I was able to drive a tractor on top of the snowdrifts. Only sank an inch or two.

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Ian Mackie wrote in post #17401024 (external link)
2-3 inches in the UK cripples some of the bigger cities, and most of the rail system -- don't know why we've never learned from the countries used to regular snow falls.


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I don't understand why a couple inches of snow shuts down rail systems. If anything, they are the ones that should be able to keep moving. Only once have I seen weather stop the trains here. We had a record setting blizzard that shut down a huge area. High winds kept visibility to zero for three days straight, and built epic snowdrifts. The only reason the trains stopped here is because the heaters for the siding switch had not yet been set up for winter and when a snowdrift formed over the switch it froze. Three rail crews were sent out to dig it out but none of them made it here. My neighbour dug one of their trucks out of a snowdrift with his backhoe. Eventually the train crew managed to dig it out themselves and force it over into position, but from then on every train was forced onto the siding.
It was a rare case. We had the perfect conditions for really, really dense snow drifts to form. Once the wind died down and we were able to see outside, and to start digging out, I discovered that I was able to drive a tractor on top of the snowdrifts. Only sank an inch or two.


1cm of snow can cripple the UK :D all it takes is a lack of grit...

over here, it is a case of "idiocy" vs "we can handle it in canada/northern US etc...."

all it takes is 1 moron to drive like a prick in heavy snow, cause an accident, and you're at a standstill....and the snow piles up, and the plows can't get through... and the queues build up and up and up. That is what cripples a city. but then in a city you don't have just 1 moron, you have 100,000 or 1,000,000+ of them. bald tyres, can't drive in rain let alone snow, can't handle a car in a spin...

as for the trains, we also have to deal with salty seawater on the coastal areas, and freezing up of switches etc. When a lot of trains run on electricity as opposed to the mainline diesel trains, you're going to get a LOT of issues, which means, mass transit also buggers up.

throw in the low visibility, say syonara (sp?) to the planes, and the buses fall under the guise of gridlock.

coming home from england on sat night, driving back from the airport, it was snowing, not a lot but it was wet and heavy, saw 3-4 accidents on a 1 mile stretch of road, of people biting it, spinning around into trees or oncoming traffic... that was on a quiet road. do that on a highway, and you stop everything up...


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Jan 26, 2015 13:26 |  #9048

You have to think about two big factors in NYC: 6+ Million people daily take the subway/buses. On a regular day they have delays and switch problems. Throw 36 inches of snow on to that already? Shut down :lol:


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Jan 26, 2015 13:36 |  #9049

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1cm of snow can cripple the UK :D all it takes is a lack of grit.....

That's Dallas. We have almost zero ability to deal with anything slippery. Last year 6" of ice closed the city for a week. THis year so far we have had nothing and it's going to be in the 70s for a good part of the week. A tad too warm for the slippery stuff I think.


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Jan 26, 2015 13:36 |  #9050

Mel, I shivered just looking at your pictures :)


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Jan 26, 2015 13:45 |  #9051

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I love the snow. We get similar to this normally every year but the last couple years have been almost nothing.


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Jan 26, 2015 14:06 |  #9052

That storm was in December of 2010. Shut the county (and the next couple of counties) down for 3 days straight. Police enforced. They also shut down the border. The highway was a parking lot, with zero visibility no one could go anywhere, so traffic all stopped and had to wait out the storm. Thousands of people were rescued off the highway by snowmobiliers, the fire department, the police, and the military with a helicopter.
The funny part of it all was that the city had blue skies and sunshine. The wind was from the north and it was all lake effect snow, with just the right angle on it that the city had green grass.
That last picture is of my sister standing in front of the snowdrift that she was stuck in. She got stuck on the left side of the road and the drift built itself right up over the truck. Snowploughs couldn't move that drift (and lots more like it), had to use a pay loader to clear it.

Last winter was awesome. Super cold, super snowy. Unfortunately I was so busy at work that I didn't get to go out and play near as much as I would have liked to.


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Jan 26, 2015 14:08 |  #9053

Picture of the highway once they started returning people to their vehicles. My sister is driving one of the school buses, they shuttled lots of people between the highway and shelters.

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Jan 26, 2015 14:12 |  #9054

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I love this picture.

One thing I love about snow is the quiet that a nice thick layer produces. I remember standing in a snow-covered forest in Germany about 27 years ago. Not another living thing in sight, other than the trees. I just stood there and listened; my breathing was all I heard. One of those moments that just sticks in my mind for some reason.


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Jan 26, 2015 14:30 |  #9055

LV Moose wrote in post #17401263 (external link)
I love this picture.

One thing I love about snow is the quiet that a nice thick layer produces. I remember standing in a snow-covered forest in Germany about 27 years ago. Not another living thing in sight, other than the trees. I just stood there and listened; my breathing was all I heard. One of those moments that just sticks in my mind for some reason.


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Jan 26, 2015 14:31 |  #9056

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Once you're accustomed to prison riot sirens, the smell of a new taser on fresh skin and the squeal of a body cavity search, everything else must sound peaceful.

True dat ;-)a


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Jan 26, 2015 14:32 |  #9057

MEL -Make sure you add exif info and put them in your gallery so others can see them. They are wonderful!




  
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Jan 26, 2015 14:43 |  #9058

LV Moose wrote in post #17401263 (external link)
I love this picture.

One thing I love about snow is the quiet that a nice thick layer produces. I remember standing in a snow-covered forest in Germany about 27 years ago. Not another living thing in sight, other than the trees. I just stood there and listened; my breathing was all I heard. One of those moments that just sticks in my mind for some reason.

Absolutely!! I love it when my world is covered in fresh, fluffy snow and all noise is deadened. Bonus to living outside of the city! When that storm blew through, it was three days of howling wind, and then intense calmness. All we could do for three days was sit around the house, go outside for walks, and take pictures. Our dog had the time of his life running around in that snow.


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Jan 26, 2015 14:51 |  #9059

Puppy on the run!
Baron was a yellow lab/greyhound cross. He absolutely loved to run, especially through fresh snow. This was in our front yard where the powder was over knee deep, he just ran till he dropped.

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Jan 26, 2015 15:11 |  #9060

Ours loves the snow, too. Unfortunately, we don't get to it very often.

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