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Sep 23, 2013 18:59 |  #16

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Such an interesting way to die. It's always fascinating how complex systems go down.

Yes, I am an engineer and like a lot of engineers I find air crashes to be fascinating once the final reports are complete. I think the fascination may appear morbid to a layperson, but the compulsion is natural to engineers.

Aircraft are among the most complicated and highly engineered systems we have. Safety is built in, redundant, and obsessed over. Yet crashes do happen, and the causes are often very instructive from an engineering standpoint.

I especially find some of the pilot induced crashes of the modern 'fly by wire' type aircraft to be incredibly interesting from a controls engineering standpoint. Human interface with controls systems can be incredibly complex.

You look at how Cptn. Sullenburger deliberately used the A320's FBW system to drag the aircraft into the Hudson River on the verge of a stall and you see how a savvy pilot can use these controls systems to maximum advantage. Could he have crashed an older airplane quite so well? Probably not. OTOH, an Air France flight crew held an A330 in a stalled condition for over three minutes before crashing into the Atlantic ocean mainly because the acting pilot seems to have been unaware that he was operating outside of normal mode. And a Boeing 777 crew seemingly hit a seawall in San Francisco because they did not realize that auto-throttle was not engaged.

All that said, these days crashes are becoming rare. It's never been safer to fly than it is right now, and I have to say the lessons learned from the earlier crashes have made the systems very robust today.


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Sep 23, 2013 21:42 |  #17

If you haven't read it, you're probably going to like normal accidents by perrow.


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Sep 23, 2013 22:54 |  #18

JeffreyG wrote in post #16319683 (external link)
...I find air crashes to be fascinating once the final reports are complete. I think the fascination may appear morbid to a layperson, but the compulsion is natural to engineers....

It's not just you...
I'm not an engineer but one of my favourite TV programs is Air Crash Investigations (I think it gets called something else in US).
It amazes and fascinates me how the investigators can determine how and what caused a plane to come down, from in some cases, nothing more than twisted and burnt scrap metal.
Especially if it's at the bottom of the ocean or scattered for miles - or both.
I was watching one only a couple of nights ago where the cause was an auger type bolt in the tail that failed after not having proper maintenance.


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Sep 24, 2013 01:24 |  #19

DocFrankenstein wrote in post #16316622 (external link)
Are you sure luggage is depressurised? Just from design standpoint it costs less money to seal a cylinder including baggage rather than passengers alone.

At high altitudes I've heard there's some cosmic radiation that may damage microprocessors...

Some planes pack luggage in the tail, don't they? That would probably be un-pressurized. If in the under-belly pressurized luggage sections; it may not be heated.

Some kind of rays or electronic zap must have happened. Or magnets (maybe metal detector or large motor - like maybe the wheel retractors?).

All I know for sure is; I've shot 10s of thousands of photos for several years on this 7D and now suddenly, after this trip, the AF is zapped. It's got *something* to do with the flight - and I can't accept chalking it up to rough luggage handling. It was just packed too well and serious damage would have been obvious to the hard-shelled luggage.

Besides; I'd expect rough handling to maybe crack a lens or bend the frame, not zap the electronics.

Anyway; I'll get it serviced and I'll get their professional opinion. Hopefully its not too expensive ... not likely. I smell a $600 repair job; barely worth it.

I will be taking the advice to carry on my stuff next time; and removing the battery.


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Sep 24, 2013 01:36 |  #20

NBEast wrote in post #16320481 (external link)
Some planes pack luggage in the tail, don't they?

I really don't know. I don't fly that much and have nothing to do with engineering besides grade 8 physics. All I know is that balloon shaped objects like a fuselage give the lightest strength to weight ratios because of force distribution.

Engineers might confirm if this makes sense.


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Sep 24, 2013 02:30 |  #21

philwillmedia wrote in post #16319410 (external link)
Really...?
So you think that some baggage handler is going to be standing there with a dead 7D and randomly open a passenger's bag to find a working 7D and make the switch...
Yeah right...
Dream on champ.

hahahahaha:D

That's what I'm saying... It's not like he's got a lunch box with him day after day thinking to himself... now's my chance!


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Sep 24, 2013 02:46 |  #22

seoul4korea wrote in post #16320542 (external link)
hahahahaha:D

That's what I'm saying... It's not like he's got a lunch box with him day after day thinking to himself... now's my chance!

I had a dream...I dreamt I was a baggage handler who had a Canon 1DX and an 800mm lens stowed away...waiting...and then, one day, a big bag came in, and guess what? I woke up!:)


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Sep 24, 2013 03:25 |  #23

NBEast wrote in post #16320481 (external link)
Besides; I'd expect rough handling to maybe crack a lens or bend the frame, not zap the electronics.

If some gorilla drops your bag onto the ground then the sudden decceleration could easily be enough to jar any slighly loose electrical component. The jarring could have broken a weak solder link in the AF Selection circuits, thus disabling that system.

This is about 1000 times more likely than strange cosmic rays, 1 million times more likely than super-strong magnets and 100 million times more likely than the ninja camera swapper.


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Sep 24, 2013 04:50 |  #24

hollis_f wrote in post #16320584 (external link)
...This is about 1000 times more likely than strange cosmic rays, 1 million times more likely than super-strong magnets and 100 million times more likely than the ninja camera swapper.

haha...that's gold.
No sarcasm detected there at all Frank.
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Sep 24, 2013 05:50 |  #25

Don't they have insurance for luggage?


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Sep 24, 2013 07:20 |  #26

tonylong wrote in post #16320732 (external link)
Don't they have insurance for luggage?

A lot of travel insurance policies expressly exclude expensive goods stored in the hold (I guess they've seen the same videos of baggage handlers).

From this site - LINK (external link)

There are plenty of common exclusions to be aware of when dealing with travel baggage cover. For example, even separately-insured items (and cash) are unlikely to be covered if the bag or case it's stored in is unattended, for example in the hold of a plane or the trunk of a coach.


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Sep 24, 2013 14:19 |  #27

hollis_f wrote in post #16320584 (external link)
If some gorilla drops your bag onto the ground then the sudden decceleration could easily be enough to jar any slighly loose electrical component. The jarring could have broken a weak solder link in the AF Selection circuits, thus disabling that system.

This is about 1000 times more likely than strange cosmic rays, 1 million times more likely than super-strong magnets and 100 million times more likely than the ninja camera swapper.

My 30 years old hard-shell Samsonite bag may be tough, but a drop like that would surely leave a dent or scratch.

Strong electro-magnets would have this exact effect.

The AF is not disabled, its just the AF-Point selection feature that's suddenly not working.

I shot my kids soccer game (here (external link)) and the Auto-AF didn't do a terrible job - I just prefer having my dot picked out so I can precisely pick what's in focus. I switched to f7.1 for a wider DOF - I would have preferred sticking to 4.0 or 5.6. Many shots are a little soft; but good enough to please the average parent.

Anyway; I have a 5Dii. It does a decent job too; just more cropping and AF tracking isn't as nice.


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Sep 24, 2013 14:32 |  #28

hollis_f wrote in post #16317810 (external link)
Correct TSA inspections aren't likely to break your camera.

What is likely to break your camera is the way your luggage is treated by the baggage handlers. VIDEO (external link)

Ha Ha that is not abuse of luggage that is normal handling of luggage. My son leads a crew that loads bags. In manual load aircraft (think Boeing 737) your luggage is literally thrown from the top of the conveyer into the luggage pit as far as it will go and then stacked. Also in most airports the conveyor system to move luggage around may have up to 6 foot drops as luggage moves around prior to loading. The lady in the video was gentle by normal standards.


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Sep 24, 2013 15:39 |  #29

My gear always goes in the overhead. If I had to take more gear than that would accomodate, I might actually buy it a seat.


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Sep 24, 2013 15:45 |  #30

NBEast wrote in post #16320481 (external link)
All I know for sure is; I've shot 10s of thousands of photos for several years on this 7D and now suddenly, after this trip, the AF is zapped. It's got *something* to do with the flight - and I can't accept chalking it up to rough luggage handling. It was just packed too well and serious damage would have been obvious to the hard-shelled luggage.

There is also the possibility that it had nothing to do with the flight... unlucky coincidence? Maybe.


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