Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and our Privacy Policy.
OK
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Guest
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Register to forums    Log in

 
FORUMS Cameras, Lenses & Accessories Canon Digital Cameras 
Thread started 06 Oct 2013 (Sunday) 01:47
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

Can somebody explain why the T5i rates 5 pts worse than the T2i in DxoMark?

 
996gt2
Goldmember
Avatar
1,045 posts
Likes: 1
Joined Jul 2008
Location: Cincinnati
     
Oct 06, 2013 01:47 |  #1

IMAGE: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25994702/T2ivsT4ivsT5i.PNG

http://www.dxomark.com …3)/645%7C0/(bra​nd3)/Canon (external link)


Stuff like this really makes me question how valid DxoMark's testing is. These 3 cameras have essentially the same sensor and similar image processors. So why the difference? I mean, yeah, Canon hasn't really improved their APS-C sensors since the 18MP 7D came out, but going backwards...?

Buy/Sell Feedback
5Dc, 50D, Tokina 12-24 f/4, Tamron 28-75 f/2.8, Sigma 50mm f/1.4, 430EX

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
jase1125
Goldmember
Avatar
3,027 posts
Gallery: 7 photos
Likes: 82
Joined May 2010
Location: Lewisville, TX (DFW)
     
Oct 06, 2013 04:50 |  #2

I think the later rebels have a weaker anti aliasing filter. This results in a sharper image sooc, but also more perceptible noise.


Jason

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Tmuussoni
Senior Member
330 posts
Likes: 4
Joined Oct 2011
Location: .FI
     
Oct 06, 2013 04:55 |  #3

996gt2 wrote in post #16349327 (external link)
QUOTED IMAGE

http://www.dxomark.com …3)/645%7C0/(bra​nd3)/Canon (external link)


Stuff like this really makes me question how valid DxoMark's testing is. These 3 cameras have essentially the same sensor and similar image processors. So why the difference? I mean, yeah, Canon hasn't really improved their APS-C sensors since the 18MP 7D came out, but going backwards...?

As you know DxoMark only evaluates the sensor performance in low light and nothing else. I don't see anything bizarre here. I think you answered your own question here. The 550D has a slight edge (0,2 f-stops) in low noise, higher ISO performance and slightly better color depth, leading to 5 points better overall score. Infact I was looking at some RAW files comparing 550D, 700D and 7D and to my untrained eye 550D had the cleanest RAW-files with high ISO-values.

But you should note that these are such small differences a normal user won't see the difference. The 700D has made some other significant updates to the body which I find more valuable, such as more cross-type focus points and better video perfomance etc.

However, like you said it does raise a question regarding Canons' sensor development as things have been pretty much stagnated for last few years, whereas in Nikon's side you see a clear pattern of increased sensor performance both in low light ISO perfomance and dynamic range...


Flickr (external link)
Gear list

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
TeamSpeed
01010100 01010011
Avatar
40,862 posts
Gallery: 116 photos
Best ofs: 2
Likes: 8923
Joined May 2002
Location: Midwest
     
Oct 06, 2013 04:55 as a reply to  @ jase1125's post |  #4

The later cameras started to have more aggressive in camera nr settings, perhaps that is also part of the issue.


Past Equipment | My Personal Gallery (external link) My Business Gallery (external link)
"Man only has 5 senses, and sometimes not even that, so if they define the world, the universe, the dimensions of existence, and spirituality with just these limited senses, their view of what-is and what-can-be is very myopic indeed and they are doomed, now and forever."

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
rral22
Senior Member
885 posts
Likes: 1
Joined Jul 2008
Location: Saskatchewan, Canada
     
Oct 06, 2013 09:10 |  #5

Can someone explain why 5 points in the Dxo score matters to anyone?




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sandpiper
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
7,171 posts
Gallery: 1 photo
Likes: 53
Joined Aug 2006
Location: Merseyside, England
     
Oct 06, 2013 10:47 |  #6

996gt2 wrote in post #16349327 (external link)
Stuff like this really makes me question how valid DxoMark's testing is. These 3 cameras have essentially the same sensor and similar image processors. So why the difference? I mean, yeah, Canon hasn't really improved their APS-C sensors since the 18MP 7D came out, but going backwards...?

You can't take one small factor of a cameras overall ability and assume because that is slightly reduced the overall performance is worse. Maybe Canon made a big improvement elsewhere and that meant a (very slight) drop in performance in the narrow test that you are viewing. Sometimes a manufacturer will trade off a (very) slight loss somewhere for a big gain elsewhere. I highly doubt the overall image quality coming from the newer sensor has gone backwards.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
996gt2
THREAD ­ STARTER
Goldmember
Avatar
1,045 posts
Likes: 1
Joined Jul 2008
Location: Cincinnati
     
Oct 06, 2013 14:02 |  #7

rral22 wrote in post #16349770 (external link)
Can someone explain why 5 points in the Dxo score matters to anyone?

I am totally aware that a 5 pt difference is unlikely to be perceptible; I just find it strange that 3 cameras with the same sensor would test differently at all, and variances like this makes me question the validity of their results for others cameras. DxO is supposed to be testing the RAW files so there shouldn't be differences in in-camera NR affecting results here


Buy/Sell Feedback
5Dc, 50D, Tokina 12-24 f/4, Tamron 28-75 f/2.8, Sigma 50mm f/1.4, 430EX

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Amamba
Goldmember
Avatar
3,685 posts
Gallery: 8 photos
Likes: 65
Joined Nov 2007
Location: SE MI
     
Oct 06, 2013 16:39 |  #8

996gt2 wrote in post #16350445 (external link)
I am totally aware that a 5 pt difference is unlikely to be perceptible; I just find it strange that 3 cameras with the same sensor would test differently at all, and variances like this makes me question the validity of their results for others cameras. DxO is supposed to be testing the RAW files so there shouldn't be differences in in-camera NR affecting results here

But, the electronics are not the same. Filters may not be the same.

Canon needs to upgrade their sensor, finally.


Ex-Canon shooter. Now Sony Nex.
Life Lessons: KISS. RTFM. Don't sweat the small stuff.
My Gear List (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

1,583 views & 0 likes for this thread, 7 members have posted to it.
Can somebody explain why the T5i rates 5 pts worse than the T2i in DxoMark?
FORUMS Cameras, Lenses & Accessories Canon Digital Cameras 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Forums   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset   •  Home

Not a member yet?
Register to forums
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.58forum software
version 2.58 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member is zachary24
1395 guests, 110 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 15,144, that happened on Nov 22, 2018

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.