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Oct 15, 2013 15:45 |  #1

Anybody with PSCC used the camera shake filter? If so, how well did it work?


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Oct 15, 2013 18:30 |  #2

Ya better not shake very much...as a whole, it's inadequate. ;)


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Oct 16, 2013 10:39 |  #3

It depends on the application.

If you have a few images you would like to see treated with the filter, post a link and I'll run them through it for you.

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Oct 16, 2013 14:49 as a reply to  @ kirkt's post |  #4

Kirk - thanks for the offer. Here's one from this weekend where I was shooting in a cave almost. I had trouble all night trying to get focus, even with flash assist. I trialed Topaz InFocus when it first came out and decided it was pure crap. It worked on their samples, I couldn't get anywhere near their results. It'll be interesting to see how Adobe's version works.


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Oct 17, 2013 07:56 |  #5

I used it on some photos of high speed boats that I shot near the end of a cloudy day. The sun kept coming and going....my shutter speeds were too low on some shots when the sun was behind the clouds...just by a little.

I tried the camera shake filter, it did not work very well.

Of course, this is a specific case where the slight blur occurred in primarily one direction.


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Oct 17, 2013 08:44 |  #6

In the file you posted for download the issue is missed focus - as you described (the autofocus locked onto the lights in the background and not the subjects in the foreground. In the future, if your flash has focus assist, you should use it!

In the image, the subjects are not just a little blurred, they are significantly out of focus. Neither PS CC camera shake filter nor Focus Magic or InFocus could pull a useable deconvolution out of the image. Sorry.

The PS CC camera shake filter can sharpen a slightly blurry image (blur originating from camera optics/AA filter/diffraction as well as slight focus issues and motion blur). It can assess multiple regions in the image and it appears that it attempts to interpolate the regional blur profiles so that you get a blended result across the image. It does a pretty good job at this and the recent (about 2 or 3 weeks ago) update to CC enhanced the performance and interface of the filter.

Is it worth subscribing to CC just to get this feature? Probably not - you can trial CC though, so if you think you may need this filter enough to justify $10/month for the "photographers" subscription plan, then it may be for you.

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Oct 17, 2013 09:18 |  #7

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In the file you posted for download the issue is missed focus - as you described (the autofocus locked onto the lights in the background and not the subjects in the foreground. In the future, if your flash has focus assist, you should use it!

In DPP the focus point show on the brides chin, so I either moved a little or it completely missed. I do use focus assist on my flashes, just seemed to have trouble several times locking focus during this reception.

In the image, the subjects are not just a little blurred, they are significantly out of focus. Neither PS CC camera shake filter nor Focus Magic or InFocus could pull a useable deconvolution out of the image. Sorry.

Honestly, I didn't expect it to help any.

Is it worth subscribing to CC just to get this feature? Probably not - you can trial CC though, so if you think you may need this filter enough to justify $10/month for the "photographers" subscription plan, then it may be for you.

I don't need this filter very often and I have no plans to upgrade from CS6 at this time. I hate the subscription plan, but that's another story! ;) Thanks for taking the time to try it on my image. I might take a look and see if I can find a better candidate.


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Oct 17, 2013 09:56 |  #8

I see the AF point in DPP - the focus mode was AI servo AF - maybe straight up AF would have prevented the servo from wandering.

Also, if you have other images that you want to test, just let me know.

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Oct 17, 2013 10:15 as a reply to  @ kirkt's post |  #9

I quit smoking a couple of months ago and am now paying myself at the same rate I used to buy cigarettes. So, I can easily afford the $10/mo. for the 'photographers' subscription and am seriously considering doing so before the offer expires. My biggest motivation besides any new added features is to keep ACR compatible with any new cameras in the future as well.


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Oct 17, 2013 10:34 |  #10

kirkt wrote in post #16377932 (external link)
I see the AF point in DPP - the focus mode was AI servo AF - maybe straight up AF would have prevented the servo from wandering.

Also, if you have other images that you want to test, just let me know.

kirk

Could be, I had switched to AI-Servo earlier when I needed it and didn't switch back to AF. That image was the "best" candidate from this past weekend and any from the past have been long deleted. Have you used it on any of your images and if so, how did it do?

I'll keep your offer in mind, thanks again.

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I quit smoking a couple of months ago and am now paying myself at the same rate I used to buy cigarettes. So, I can easily afford the $10/mo. for the 'photographers' subscription and am seriously considering doing so before the offer expires. My biggest motivation besides any new added features is to keep ACR compatible with any new cameras in the future as well.

It's not the $10 a month, it's not having a perpetual license. I don't want to turn this thread into that discussion, plenty of other threads on that subject. ;) At the moment CS6 users can use the ACR8.x updates to keep current on new cameras.


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Oct 17, 2013 10:51 as a reply to  @ D Thompson's post |  #11

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...At the moment CS6 users can use the ACR8.x updates to keep current on new cameras.

If I knew that Adobe would continue updating CS6's raw editor into the future for those that don't wish to switch to the new paradigm, I'd probably just stay where I'm at too.

And my apologies for taking this topic off track.


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Oct 17, 2013 11:00 |  #12

navydoc wrote in post #16378045 (external link)
If I knew that Adobe would continue updating CS6's raw editor into the future for those that don't wish to switch to the new paradigm, I'd probably just stay where I'm at too.

Yeah, who knows what they'll do in the future. There's the converting to DNG route as well.

And my apologies for taking this topic off track.

No apology needed, I was the first to say something. ;) No problem at all with your comment, but you know how this places gets at times.


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Oct 17, 2013 14:58 |  #13

Hey Dennis, I ran your raw file on CC going through 2 passes and masking, here is what I got. Considering the amount of blur, its not bad at all what CC can accomplish with the camera shake filter. I did this fairly quickly. I am sure you get better results with more time on it to reduce the artifacts.
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Oct 17, 2013 15:14 |  #14

kirkt wrote in post #16377932 (external link)
I see the AF point in DPP - the focus mode was AI servo AF - maybe straight up AF would have prevented the servo from wandering.

Kirk, I think you hit the nail squarely on the head. I got to thinking about this and decided to do some checking. The focus assist on the flash doesn't show in AI-Servo mode. It does in AI-Focus, though I don't think I've ever used that mode. I'm guessing the reason the focus point shows where it does is I slightly moved after it locked on the background, so I can't say whether One Shot focus would've helped this image. The flash focus assist not working would also explain why I had trouble locking focus a lot that night. I learned something to be very aware of in the future. Thanks again.


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Oct 17, 2013 15:26 |  #15

monty87 wrote in post #16378555 (external link)
Hey Dennis, I ran your raw file on CC going through 2 passes and masking, here is what I got. Considering the amount of blur, its not bad at all what CC can accomplish with the camera shake filter. I did this fairly quickly. I am sure you get better results with more time on it to reduce the artifacts.
Here (external link)is the link to the file.

Thanks. That seemed to help some. Would you mind to link a full size to see?


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