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Oct 16, 2013 10:59 |  #1

My flash has an external power input. This seems to be designed to work with DC power packs that would recharge faster and last longer than just batteries. But when I'm using it in a more controlled environment I'd like to be able to just plug it in to an AC outlet.

Is this possible? I tried searching but didn't know what it'd be called to search for.


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Oct 16, 2013 16:53 |  #2

Innovatronix makes one. There is a thread here where someone got one or more of them.
Seems to like them. Not sure how price effective they are compared to just using battery pack.


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Oct 16, 2013 19:23 |  #3

travisvwright wrote in post #16375617 (external link)
My flash has an external power input. This seems to be designed to work with DC power packs that would recharge faster and last longer than just batteries. But when I'm using it in a more controlled environment I'd like to be able to just plug it in to an AC outlet.

Is this possible? I tried searching but didn't know what it'd be called to search for.

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Oct 16, 2013 20:05 |  #4

A word of caution is in order.

Use of the high voltage external power jack will recycle a Canon flash in about a second after a full power pop. The instruction manuals of the flash units warn to let the unit rest for 10 minutes after 20 consecutive shots. They do have thermal protection that will shut them down if you overdo it, if you really want to trust it.

Studio strobes have fans to keep them cool. Flash units don't. Just because your flash unit recycles like a studio strobe doesn't mean you can use it that way.


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Oct 16, 2013 22:20 |  #5

Curtis offers good suggestion about taking care with number of pops.
The heat build up is significant with full power pops. As power is reduced there is less heat. So, even though the AC adapter makes it seem like low ISO and lots of flash is OK. It will mean not too many shots before having to rest the speedlites.


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Oct 17, 2013 06:25 |  #6

Thanks for the info. And I hadn't even thought of the overheating aspect.


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Oct 17, 2013 08:35 |  #7

dmward wrote in post #16376404 (external link)
Not sure how price effective they are compared to just using battery pack.

i was interested until i saw they were 135 bucks.

it would be one thing if i could get away with only using a wall plug, but since i need extra battery power as well...

i've never used a flash so much that it overheats, is it the upper/strobe part or the lower part that generates the most heat?


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Oct 17, 2013 10:21 |  #8

Its both but mainly the capacitor heat that is destructive.

With a Lithium Ion battery pack, the weak point are the 4 AA cells that have to be in the battery for the circuitry to work.

FLASH HAVOC (external link) has some information on the site about a new speedlite from Godox that has a Lithium Ion battery. Its fast recycle and long life combined. Manual with remote power control. Nice combination for off camera speedliting.


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Oct 18, 2013 12:10 |  #9

@dmward, I use that Godox battery pack with my 600EX-RT units, and it's fabulous. So fabulous that you will definitely overheat your flash before you come close to wearing out the battery, as @Curtis N points out.

But even if it won't allow you to use your flash 1,000 times in an hour, it will dramatically cut down your recycle time, which can make all the difference at an event.




  
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Oct 18, 2013 12:28 |  #10

With respect to the Canon 580 EX II Canon states

Repeatedly firing the flash, however, runs the risk of damaging the flash head and surrounding components because the flash head heats up quite quickly. For this reason, the instruction manual warns that the flash unit must rest for at least 10 minutes after firing 20 or more flashes in a row. Nevertheless, we have had reports that in practice photographers often use their flash units beyond these limits.Thus, we were obliged to equip the 580EX II with a safety mechanism to prevent flash-head overheating. The mechanism engages when the benchmarks below are exceeded and, once in effect, forces the unit to wait eight to 20 seconds between flashes.· 60 consecutive full flashes while running on the internal power supply· 40 consecutive full flashes while running on the CP-E4 external battery pack. Once the safety mechanism is engaged, it remains in effect until the flash is not fired for about 15 minutes. The unit then returns to its normal flash ready state.

I also believe the external power socket is protected against high voltage, 380 as I recall.




  
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Oct 18, 2013 12:51 |  #11

The thermal protection is a pain when it hits, but is definitely required to protect your equipment.

And it is because of this protection that I have upgraded my event kit from 600EX-RTs to Einstein E640s. I haven't put the Einsteins to a stress test yet, but when I do, I'll try to remember to report my findings here.




  
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Oct 19, 2013 00:22 |  #12

My biggest complaint is the way a 600EX-RT recycling slows when the internal AA cells get weak.
Replace those and everything is peachy keen again. Happened to ma again tonight during Mother Son dance. One 600 on a stand was slow recycling. Put new eneloops into the flash and away we went. The flash on camera and the other one on a stand were hot to go, but Canon won't let the system fire until the last unit checks in as recharged. Grrrr.


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Oct 19, 2013 05:20 |  #13

dmward wrote in post #16382172 (external link)
My biggest complaint is the way a 600EX-RT recycling slows when the internal AA cells get weak.
Replace those and everything is peachy keen again. Happened to ma again tonight during Mother Son dance. One 600 on a stand was slow recycling. Put new eneloops into the flash and away we went. The flash on camera and the other one on a stand were hot to go, but Canon won't let the system fire until the last unit checks in as recharged. Grrrr.

I can fully appreciate the need for manufacturers to Idiot-proof their equipment, there are a lot of idiots out there!

When the user is NOT an idiot, it's hugely frustrating to have to ferret out workrounds to permit use of the equipment in a timely manner. Better, surely, to hide deep in the bowels of the OS (so that only the cognescenti find it), some means of also turning off these 'features' which drive us to distraction? Cloud cuckoo land, perhaps?


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Oct 19, 2013 09:27 |  #14

Phil,
What's really perplexing about this "feature" is that Bob Davis (Canon Seeker of light) complained to them about it when he was beta testing the 600EX-RTs and they still have done nothing about it.

Another opportunity for YongNou to differentiate the YN-600EX-RT, unless of course Canon has buried the capability so deep inside the firmware that it can't be changed without breaking a lot of other stuff. (Which may be why Canon couldn't change it as well.)


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Oct 19, 2013 10:20 |  #15

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=he's gone;16377744]i've never used a flash so much that it overheats, is it the upper/strobe part or the lower part that generates the most heat?

dmward wrote:
What's really perplexing about this "feature" is that Bob Davis (Canon Seeker of light) complained to them about it when he was beta testing the 600EX-RTs and they still have done nothing about it.

A POTN member posted that he fried THREE Canon 580EX flash units, before he read the user manual warning about overheating his flash units!

and then Canon came out with the 580EXII, which had the thermal protection feature to protect itself from overzealous photographers.


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