Exposure Compensation with Auto ISO Manual Mode on 1Dx

Better late than never

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/News/News-Post.aspx?News=8102

"Canon has just announed a new firmware update for the Canon EOS 1D X and 1D C DSLR cameras. The 1D X will finally get a feature Bryan and I have been requesting for ages - exposure compensation with Auto ISO (in manual mode) - along with several other AF enhancements.

I recently asked Chuck Westfall, Technical Advisor for Canon, "As the 1D X and 5D III autofocus systems are so similar, does Canon plan on implementing these new AF features in the 5D III as well?" Chuck's response was as diplomatic as it was inconclusive - "Canon Japan hasn't made a decision on that yet."

I guess we'll just have to wait and see. If nothing else, I'd love to get Exposure Compensation with Auto ISO on my 5D III. [Sean]"

EC with Manual? That's not manual then?

It's Manual with a twist like what Nikon has for such a long time. You can set your SS and f-stop as normal but with this feature you can change exposure up or down without changing your SS and f-stop but instead changing your ISO.

kin2son wrote in post #16389543
EC with Manual? That's not manual then?

About time. Only 5 yrs too late. Well, i will take late than never. Wish they could release it sooner than January though.

Jeez, get better camera! My 60D allows EC with Auto-ISO. It is simple, too:
1.) Set camera to P-mode.
2.) Set ISO to Auto.
3.) Use front dial to shift exposure.
4.) Use rear dial for EC.

This works just fine on a 60D. I am sure the 1Dx and 5D3 can do it, too. Oh, I just checked. The 1Dx does have a P mode. I wasn't sure about that.

DarthVader wrote in post #16389553
It's Manual with a twist like what Nikon has for such a long time. You can set your SS and f-stop as normal but with this feature you can change exposure up or down without changing your SS and f-stop but instead changing your ISO.

See post #5. Canon cameras have had this ability for years.

Do you know what's the difference between P mode and M mode ?. When to use those ?. Read the whole sentence not just a part of the sentence.

YashicaFX2 wrote in post #16389579
See post #6. Canon cameras have had this ability for years.

That doesn't work on the 6D. AUTO ISO anywhere outside M mode is a waste of time.
And I doubt Canon will EVER release a new firmware update for the 6D again.

DarthVader wrote in post #16389584
Do you know what's the difference between P mode and M mode ?. When to use those ?. Read the whole sentence not just a part of the sentence.

Yes, I am fully aware of the difference between P & M modes. What I am not is married to the idea of shooting in M mode when it does not do what I want to do. If using P makes the camera do what you want it to do, is that wrong?

I read the entire sentence. If the goal is to shoot in MANUAL there is a problem. If the goal is to use EC with Auto-ISO and still be able to select the aperture and shutter speed you want, this method WORKS.

As mentioned above, Manual mode with an automatically set parameter is not Manual. I will try this on a 6D next time I get to a retail outlet. I can't imagine why Canon would make that change in one body.

YashicaFX2 wrote in post #16389570
Jeez, get better camera! My 60D allows EC with Auto-ISO. It is simple, too:
1.) Set camera to P-mode.
2.) Set ISO to Auto.
3.) Use front dial to shift exposure.
4.) Use rear dial for EC.

This works just fine on a 60D. I am sure the 1Dx and 5D3 can do it, too. Oh, I just checked. The 1Dx does have a P mode. I wasn't sure about that.

You haven't been around long enough for the discussions over the years. This is for manual mode and no other mode. There are many times that you could make great use of an ISO-priority mode, but Canon has never fully developed that mode.

Now anyone that says just shoot manual and change your settings on the fly obviously never considers all the different situations one could shoot, and just look inside their own little box. There are many cases rolling dials to change settings to make up for constantly changing light is just tedious, risky, and frankly needless with today's tech. It gets a bit tiring hearing the "manual purists" coming in to belittle this feature simply because of a stupid letter on dial and their impressions of what that should mean. Of course, Canon should introduce a Iv mode on the dial, but that won't really happen, so M is it for now.

So having the ability to lock in a shutter speed, an aperture, and the only float being the ISO is a great. We have had that capability for years. However, being able to shoot ETTR or just generally compensate for exposure during auto-ISO shooting has only been available in 2 cameras in a limited fashion (1D4 and 1DX) using the AE microadjustment feature. Now EC with auto-ISO is implemented in manual mode is the more right way to implement this, although not the absolute best way.

Also what I find interesting are all the other changes incorporated...

Canon seems to have turned over a leaf where they used to never extend functionality on a camera, but did with the 7D firmware update. It seems they have learned to hold back on functions and features, then when a model has been out for some time, and perhaps sales has plateaued, they release a firmware update the extends the use of a camera. This will be the 2nd time now that Canon has issued a firmware that was more enhancement than fix.

There is nothing wrong with shooting P mode if that works for you; then this mode is not for you but for others that need to shoot M and be able to change exposure up or down quickly.

YashicaFX2 wrote in post #16389614
Yes, I am fully aware of the difference between P & M modes. What I am not is married to the idea of shooting in M mode when it does not do what I want to do. If using P makes the camera do what you want it to do, is that wrong?

I read the entire sentence. If the goal is to shoot in MANUAL there is a problem. If the goal is to use EC with Auto-ISO and still be able to select the aperture and shutter speed you want, this method WORKS.

As mentioned above, Manual mode with an automatically set parameter is not Manual. I will try this on a 6D next time I get to a retail outlet. I can't imagine why Canon would make that change in one body.

One thing I don't like about this option is calling it 'M'anual mode with auto ISO... It's not Manual. The exposure computer in the camera is making decisions for the shooter.

In the mode options, you have 'Av' for auto aperture, 'Tv' for auto shutter speed.. To continue this logically, they should call it 'Iv' for auto ISO and add that to the menu.. Then ' M'anual would remain as a true manual mode.

It's manual, the shooter decides how much exposure compensation he wants, up or down, dial in. If you wish to change SS and f-stop you are welcome too but you don't need to.

Jim_T wrote in post #16389700
One thing I don't like about this option is calling it 'M'anual mode with auto ISO... It's not Manual. The exposure computer in the camera is making decisions for the shooter.

In the mode options, you have 'Av' for auto aperture, 'Tv' for auto shutter speed.. To continue this logically, they should call it 'Iv' for auto ISO and add that to the menu.. Then ' M'anual would remain as a true manual mode.

DarthVader wrote in post #16389715
It's manual, the shooter decides how much exposure compensation he wants, up or down, dial in.

Yes, but you're compensating for a decision the camera's exposure computer made.. I just don't see how you can have a mode that must use computer control and call it Manual.