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Oct 31, 2013 13:27 |  #16

As I said the G12 I had a while ago, I could get as close as an inch in wide, or about a foot in tele.
So framing a shot was easy.
Focus locked straight away.

The G1X is horrendous, try to get a close-up type portrait from a couple of fett away is out of the question.
I don't understand why Canon did this in a P&S.
The G15 and G16 specs suggest Canon have gone back to the G12 for close up shooting. Yes they have a better (faster) lenses, but have lost the swivel screen which is a shame.


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Oct 31, 2013 16:09 |  #17

Get both or just the G16 if you can only swing one. I dont think I could be happy with just a G1X. I have G12, G15, and G1X. Ive used them all for different occasions. I like the G12 best believe it or not. I dont shoot movies though so that may influence your decision.




  
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Oct 31, 2013 18:15 |  #18

I wanted something smaller to fit into a man bag, for those times I don't want to carry around my main SLR. My wife loved her G12, which probably has the best layout of controls on a small camera I've ever seen (dedicated ISO wheel no longer included on the G16). I really wanted to love the Fujifilm and Sony small compacts that had rave reviews, but when I tried them, I found their ergonomics poor, and they were just too small. In the end it came down to the G16 and the G1X. In the end the size and fast aperture at zoom pushed me towards the G16.

I think it's a great compact compromise camera that I'm happy to carry with me all the time, and my wife and I bought one each. (BTW she's just put her G12 up on e-bay http://www.ebay.co.uk …tegory=31388&cm​d=ViewItem (external link))

I've only had the G16 for a few weeks but so far, I'm reasonably impressed. It's no SLR of course, but it's got the right balance between ergonomics, picture quality and size that I was after. I do enjoy finally always having a camera on me.

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Oct 31, 2013 20:34 |  #19

I was thinking between the SL1 and G series but I might wait for EOS-m2 if that is going to be the next announcement from Canon.

But looking at SamAlfarno's flickr, I might lean towards the G1x.


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Nov 01, 2013 01:10 |  #20

I think that it has been a common mistake for people to look at the G1X and assume that it should work exactly like their G(insert number here) did but with a larger sensor. The fact that it looks like a Powershot G and is called a Powershot G can be a bit misleading as to where it's strengths lie. Anyone looking for a regular point-and-shoot is not going to find it here.


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Nov 01, 2013 10:30 |  #21

I have had the same experience with the G1x as you. Selfies are easy with the camera in Macro mode, focus no problem. In macro mode you can zoom in as you do with your example, and again no problem. ;)
The OP does not have a clue about the camera, and did not due his due diligence. It's his loss.:rolleyes:

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I found myself curious as to the ops experience with the G1X as I have not had those kind of problems. The flower was from about two feet and the self portrait about 3/4 arms length. I got immediate lock on. It is true, however, that the G1X cannot do true macro.




  
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Nov 01, 2013 14:52 |  #22

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I have had the same experience with the G1x as you. Selfies are easy with the camera in Macro mode, focus no problem. In macro mode you can zoom in as you do with your example, and again no problem. ;)
The OP does not have a clue about the camera, and did not due his due diligence. It's his loss.:rolleyes:

I was just going to say the same thing myself, the user needs patience to work out how the G1x operates, personally I,ve had no problem taking portraits from about 3 to 4 feet away. I wouldn,t want to go in any closer anyway much prefer to crop the image.
The G1x although a P + S it behaves more like a DSLR, don,t understand this non focussing issue, I,ve took thousands of images 99% of these are in focus no matter which lighting condition.
I would reccomend new users get to know the camera over a few weeks instead of passing judement after a few hours, a lot of the time its down to user learner error.


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Nov 02, 2013 00:19 |  #23

Judder Man wrote in post #16416590 (external link)
I was just going to say the same thing myself, the user needs patience to work out how the G1x operates, personally I,ve had no problem taking portraits from about 3 to 4 feet away. I wouldn,t want to go in any closer anyway much prefer to crop the image.
The G1x although a P + S it behaves more like a DSLR, don,t understand this non focussing issue, I,ve took thousands of images 99% of these are in focus no matter which lighting condition.
I would reccomend new users get to know the camera over a few weeks instead of passing judement after a few hours, a lot of the time its down to user learner error.

I have to agree with Judder here.
And mine too, 99% or more are in focus in most all situations. The only exception is if I shoot when it displays the little yellow "I'm out of focus" box" So if you shoot there, expect an OOF pic.

Now I do a lot of selfies too, but never thought of using macro mode. but then, most all my selfies are shot to get me with something in the background so macro would only give a little bokeh, defeating the purpose of the pic....


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Nov 02, 2013 04:51 |  #24

No matter what I did I just could not get focus of people across the dining table.
Even manual focus would do it.
This makes it a pretty useless P&S.

Self pics at arms length... out of the question, wide, zoomed, macro, a multitude of different settings... nothing, no focus lock.

I did my research, I knew the close focus was poor.
But did not expect it to be as bad.
I'm also well aware how to use the various PSAM modes.

As I said earlier it was just not a usable camera.
Perhaps the one I bought was a dud.
Either way it's gone back.


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Nov 02, 2013 06:17 |  #25

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No matter what I did I just could not get focus of people across the dining table.
Even manual focus would do it.
This makes it a pretty useless P&S.

Self pics at arms length... out of the question, wide, zoomed, macro, a multitude of different settings... nothing, no focus lock.

I did my research, I knew the close focus was poor.
But did not expect it to be as bad.
I'm also well aware how to use the various PSAM modes.

As I said earlier it was just not a usable camera.
Perhaps the one I bought was a dud.
Either way it's gone back.


Something not right somewhere, what shutter speed and F stop had you been shooting at.
Did you ever get a confirmation focus bleep at anytime or was it just hunting all the time.

Shot below was taken just over 3 feet away with the lens poking through a hole in the wire fence.

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LlamaCloseUpG1x (external link) by Judder Hopkins (external link), on Flickr


Another shot I,ve found from just over 3 feet away.

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TurkeyPortrait (external link) by Judder Hopkins (external link), on Flickr

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Nov 02, 2013 07:50 |  #26

Just hunting an awful lot.
3 feet away? Wow... that just wouldn't happen.

Tried a variety of shutter/f-stop/ISO combinations still no use.

I'm beginning to think I had a faulty one.
Oh well, it's returned now anyway.


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Nov 02, 2013 08:21 |  #27

According to the Canon spec for the G1x the minimum focus distance is 20mm at the wide end. Clearly something wrong with yours.
I've just bought the G16 and am loving it so far.


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Nov 02, 2013 11:35 |  #28

PH68 wrote in post #16418185 (external link)
Just hunting an awful lot.
3 feet away? Wow... that just wouldn't happen.

Tried a variety of shutter/f-stop/ISO combinations still no use.

I'm beginning to think I had a faulty one.
Oh well, it's returned now anyway.

Hope you have better luck on your next camera purchase, I think I'm just as dissapointed that this particular G1x hasn,t performed as it should.


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Nov 02, 2013 11:53 |  #29

mjm80 wrote in post #16418221 (external link)
According to the Canon spec for the G1x the minimum focus distance is 20mm at the wide end. Clearly something wrong with yours.
I've just bought the G16 and am loving it so far.

I did a fair bit of testing a while ago on focus with minimum hunting.

28mm wide end is usually at best is 2 feet (40cm)
50mm for me is usually 3.5 feet (1.1m)
110mm is poor about 4.5 feet (1.4m)

I usually shoot portrait at the 50mm end just beyond arms length, also always move the focus frame to something with contrast to lock on, if you don,t it will hunt.

With a macro filter lens I can get nearly every shot between 200 to 250mm, great detail if I want the image closer its a 50% crop as their are plenty of mega pixels to play with this sensor.


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Nov 06, 2013 13:46 |  #30

Save some money and go with G15.....




  
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