You Might want to re-think that 7DII Purchase

kin2son wrote in post #16412552
Have you seen those NEX ads?

Anyway here it is - http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=gW9alBidf3w

Crop mirrorless is the bridge atm, they will die off eventually to make place for ff mirrorless and mobile camera.

No soccer mum/dad that uses consumer DSLR cares about that....

Did you notice one thing he said this camera takes ALMOST AS GOOD, not better but ALMOST AS GOOD.

flashpoint99 wrote in post #16412483
Soon as I see pros using a cell phone on the sidelines of major sporting events I'll drop my dslr

I'll drop my pants and show my arse.

N2bnfunn wrote in post #16412556
Did you notice one thing he said this camera takes ALMOST AS GOOD, not better but ALMOST AS GOOD.

That ad was a while back in the Nex 5 days....

As it currently stands, Nex6/7, Fuji X series all easily produce better results than any Canon Crop DSLR out there.

kin2son wrote in post #16412568
That ad was a while back in the Nex 5 days....

As it currently stands, Nex6/7, Fuji X series all easily produce better results than any Canon Crop DSLR out there.

Nope, the photographer produces the results

kin2son wrote in post #16412568
That ad was a while back in the Nex 5 days....

As it currently stands, Nex6/7, Fuji X series all easily produce better results than any Canon Crop DSLR out there.

I find it hard to believe that any of those cameras could produce better results than my Canon crop DSLR does for these shots.

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lovemyram4x4 wrote in post #16412641
I find it hard to believe that any of those cameras could produce better results than my Canon crop DSLR does for these shots.

I think I need to make myself more clear and specific...

When I say crop, I mean consumer crop, and that's what the article's about.

Therefore I don't think 1D4 counts.

To be blutally honest, any consumer crop camera can handle motorbike shot. It's one dimenisonal, predictable, and all you need is one centre point.

Just look at speedync's work all done with 550D -

https://photography-on-the.net …?p=15905678&pos​tcount=472

Plenty more motorbike panning shot on his flickr stream. I don't see anything that mirrorless can't do.

kin2son wrote in post #16412683
I think I need to make myself more clear and specific...

When I say crop, I mean consumer crop, and that's what the article's about.

Therefore I don't think 1D4 counts.

To be blutally honest, any consumer crop camera can handle motorbike shot. It's one dimenisonal, predictable, and all you need is one centre point.

Just look at speedync's work all done with 550D -

https://photography-on-the.net …?p=15905678&pos​tcount=472

Plenty more motorbike panning shot on his flickr stream. I don't see anything that mirrorless can't do.

Then you really don't need a 5D3, do you? Send it to me. I'll pay for insured shipping. What the heck, I'll take care of the customs, too.

YashicaFX2 wrote in post #16412402
Still waiting for...
The printing press to kill education.
Penicillin to eradicate disease.
The telephone to make writing obsolete.
The Kindle to make books obsolete.
The internet to kill the Post Office.
The personal flying car.
TV to kill radio.
Cold fusion to work.
The second coming.
Air Traffic Control to move out of the 1950s.
Yada-yada-yada.


Lots of silly predictions are made every day. I don't see any reason at all to believe this is not just one more for the list.

Btw i see crop DSLR's everywhere. 5 years ago i only saw point 'n shoots. Are they dead today? Oh wait they are still being sold.

I think most iphone/smartphone users know that their pictures will not be as good as those taken with a dedicated DSLR (even a cheap one).
However, the convenience of small all-in-one pocket device to take pictures will always win over a large bulky device that needs extra lenses and extra bags to carry around.

Having said that most iphone/smartphone users still take some sort of dedicated camera (P&S or DSLR) on holiday...
Why? Because they know when they want those keepsake shots the dedicated camera is better than the iphone/smartphone.

PH68 wrote in post #16412864
I think most iphone/smartphone users know that their pictures will not be as good as those taken with a dedicated DSLR (even a cheap one).
However, the convenience of small all-in-one pocket device to take pictures will always win over a large bulky device that needs extra lenses and extra bags to carry around.

Having said that most iphone/smartphone users still take some sort of dedicated camera (P&S or DSLR) on holiday...
Why? Because they know when they want those keepsake shots the dedicated camera is better than the iphone/smartphone.

My wife had the S100 and her Iphone. After a full year her S100 had 700 shots on it. She had over 3,000 with her phone.

Now I haver her the EOS-M and a EYEFI card and she tells me the other day that she hates taking photos with her phone because they look like crap. Right now after 3 months on the EOS-M she has 1,800 photos and only a few hundred on her phone.

The reason? She can hit protect very quickly in the Q menu and they goto her phone.

This is a prime example why Canon is starting to put WIFI in the SLR cameras. To hold onto sales and make it more convenient

I think if you read into what he is saying it tells you that the 1.6 sensor which is used in the consumer oriented cameras will probably go Bye Bye. If they are not selling cameras, which they are clearly not, they are not going to put more time and effort into improving it and/or putting it in future camera bodies. So I think it has a very limited future

as for the I phone. Its only going to get better and better. Instant gratification, being able to share with family and friends is where the consumer will go. Amatuers and consumers dont care about image quality as much as they care about the instant gratification part. Right now, the Iphones are good enough for their needs

So, I think canon will dump the crop as they did with the 1.3 sensor. The professional markets and serious hobbiest markets will seek quality over good enough so I actually see canon eliminating bodies and stream lining the line up. I dont see canon investing more time and $$$ with the 1.6 sensor and they are going to need to find a way to compete with companies like Sigma who are stepping up the quality and undercutting canons market. If you look at lens like the 35,120-300,150macro, and now this 24-105 from Sigma, canon clearly has a problem.

I see major changes coming to canons professional line up as well. I think the prices will come down if companies like Sigma continue to bite at Canons heals.......Thats a good thing for the professional market.

Talley wrote in post #16412876
This is a prime example why Canon is starting to put WIFI in the SLR cameras. To hold onto sales and make it more convenient

So do you think your wife is willing to move up to say a T5i if it has wifi built in?

The answer is most likely no. Reason? It's heavy and bulky and that's where mirrorless fills the gap. Consumer DSLR quality without the bulk for consumer

Just look at the new Panasonic GM1, smaller than a RX100 with a m43 sensor and built in wifi.

My only concern would be the use of my Ef-s lenses. As long as they are compatible with the newer camera, I'm ok.

The only things I can see dying off any time soon are small sensor (1/17" and smaller) cameras and entry-level crop dslr's. Mobile phones will kill off the small senor PAS camera eventually, and cheap mirror-less will do for entry level dslr's.

I do think that unless they rethink their pricing strategy, the A7/A7r will only ever be niche products. Same goes for the Oly OM-D E-M1 (£2000 for a 4/3 camera and lens ?....)

Then there's ergonomics. Mirror-less cameras can't match the usability of a proper dslr. Too much reliance on touch-screens and menus, whereas a proper camera will have dedicated buttons.

It'll all boil down to: people who just want quick snaps for facebook etc, and don't ever plan on looking at them on anything other than a tiny screen, will stick to their mobile and then maybe progress to a cheap mirror-less. People who are properly interested in photography will go for a dslr at whatever price point they can afford.

I live on the east coast of the UK, and we have a promenade round the corner which is almost always packed with people year-round. A lot of which are always taking photographs. I only ever see mobile phones and dslr's in various guises ...

quickben wrote in post #16412972
The only things I can see dying off any time soon are small sensor (1/17" and smaller) cameras and entry-level crop dslr's. Mobile phones will kill off the small senor PAS camera eventually, and cheap mirror-less will do for entry level dslr's.

That has already happened. The article is about what will happen in the next 5 years.

Personally I think m43 is overpriced, but A7/A7R is priced extremely competitively.

A7R is basically a D800E but ~$1000 cheaper.

It's ironic that ff is getting cheaper by the day, whereas m43 is going the exact opposite.

Whilst true, consumer who buys consumer DSLR don't care about that as much as enthusiasts/pros. Touchscreen, wifi and such is actually preferred by consumer and a plus.