6D users, don't kill me...

Fitness Freak wrote in post #16419952
I honestly try to shoot at ISO 100 all the time-which isn't always possible but here on the border in South West Texas...it's ALWAYS freakin' sunny. And, being that I use a tripod for my sunrises, sunsets, and landscapes, long SS isn't an issue. However, I've run into some real issues with the noise problems that the MarkII has, stuff that I can't even always fix in editing. I read another thread that discussed this and someone mentioned this problem with the MarkII specifically when trying to lighten areas of shadows or backlit due to sunrises/sunsets. This is where the 6D will be awesome for me! I'm planning on keeping my 70-200L 2.8 on my MarkII and using my 50mm 1.8 and 17-40L on the 6D since when I use those two lenses, those are the times when I'm working in the most low-light situations.

i sold my 5D3 like new after 700 shots for what you said and bought the 6D and saved some good cash money from that
but i dont know my mind changing for tomorrow

I've been following this thread for a while now.

While I think the form of banter was inconsistent (sometimes sophisticated, sometimes childish), all parties exemplified the advantages and shortcomings of the 6D.

Different folks, different strokes. Great camera for some, while not nearly enough for others.

The 6D definitely has it's place, and I've been more than happy with it. If i had the extra cash, would I get the 5D3, quite possibly, but that's not for sure. I could have went that route but would not have been able to get my Sigma OS at the same time.

Similar to above the 6D is more than competent tracking (I used all AF points to see how it would go on this one)

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Here's a couple examples with the outer AF

175mm @ 2.8

gabebalazs wrote in post #16419816
So then how do you explain the success of the 5DII with such a "deficiency"? You're constantly attempting to avoid my questions.

It is rather easy to understand why the 5D2 sold so well - no real alternatives for somy types of photography. The 5D2 was revolutionary, despite the bad AF system.

The 1Ds3 goes to 1600 ISO. 3200 expanded.
The 5D2 goes to 6400 - 25600 expanded.

So despite the AF issues, it was still the best choice available, when people hadn't controlled lighting. In a studio, the 1Ds3 could be kept at low ISO.

And lets not ignore the huge price difference between 5D2 and 1Ds3 - about 3 times higher.

The 6D is a big seller, despite the focus deficiencies, but that something sells well isn't really proof of anything.

People accepted the issues with the 5D2 because they had no options.
People accept the 6D issues because the price difference to the 5D3 is so large.

It's a fact that there are cameras better than the 6D, but the 6D can still be a good buy. But don't make it a forbidden subject that the 6D have a very lite AF system. And that will affect some types of photography.

pwm2 wrote in post #16420041
The 6D is a big seller, despite the focus deficiencies, but that something sells well isn't really proof of anything.

I think Canon's marketing devision would disagree with you on that

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #16420083
I think Canon's marketing devision would disagree with you on that

I feel that's with any level of DSLRs.

Plenty of people with Rebels on the Green Box or Creative Auto assuming it will land them better results than a P&S or bridge camera.

Plenty of people with 6Ds thinking it will be overwhelmingly better than lower level Canons.

Plenty of people with 5D3s thinking they have the best in the biz short of the 1DX and everything below is not good enough (or even some who have the 5D3 and it's more than they need -- doesn't hurt though. Hah)

All relative.

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #16420083
I think Canon's marketing devision would disagree with you on that

Why? The sales of 6D would have been completely different if the price gap had been small to the 5D3.

As I said - sales is also a factor of what competing alternatives there is.

CJCMarquez wrote in post #16420090
Plenty of people with 5D3s thinking they have the best in the biz short of the 1DX and everything below is not good enough (or even some who have the 5D3 and it's more than they need -- doesn't hurt though. Hah)

For the type of shooting I do, I'd get the 70D over the 6D.

Again this isn't a 5D3 vs 6D thread. It's about the pros and cons of 6D.

I obviously don't expect the 6D to match the 5D3 for $1000 less, and 6D has it's advantages over the 5D3 (extra sensitive center point, wifi etc), but one thing that really lets it down is the AF. I just can't get over the fact that it has less crosstype points than a Rebel and its competitor.

kin2son wrote in post #16420099
For the type of shooting I do, I'd get the 70D over the 6D.

Again this isn't a 5D3 vs 6D thread. It's about the pros and cons of 6D.

I obviously don't expect the 6D to match the 5D3 for $1000 less, and 6D has it's advantages over the 5D3 (extra sensitive center point, wifi etc), but one thing that really lets it down is the AF. I just can't get over the fact that it has less crosstype points than a Rebel and its competitor.

For sure. Even if Canon made it all (11) cross type, I doubt it would get as much heat as it does now.

Don't think that would take away from 70D and 5D3 sales either.

EDIT: As I believe you said in an older post, it's great value for the price point, if you know/understand its limitations and especially if those limitations do not affect the type of photography you do.

CJCMarquez wrote in post #16420109
For sure. Even if Canon made it all (11) cross type, I doubt it would get as much heat as it does now.

Don't think that would take away from 70D and 5D3 sales either.

EDIT: As I believe you said in an older post, it's great value for the price point, if you know/understand its limitations and especially if those limitations do not affect the type of photography you do.

Yes and yes

pwm2 wrote in post #16420091
Why? The sales of 6D would have been completely different if the price gap had been small to the 5D3.

As I said - sales is also a factor of what competing alternatives there is.

That's exactly my point... you said the fact that it sells well doesn't mean anything... yes it does, it means that it's selling exactly where Canon wanted it to sell.

If they had given it more cross points it's likely that it would have cannibalized their sales from people like kin2on who as far as I can tell went for the 5D due to the lack of cross type sensors. I think they did exactly what they set out to do with the 6D and I don't get all the complaints. If the 6D doesn't work for you, fork over the dough for the 5D or buy a 70D/7D.

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #16420117
yes it does, it means that it's selling exactly where Canon wanted it to sell.

If they had given it more cross points it's likely that it would have cannibalized their sales from people like kin2on who as far as I can tell went for the 5D due to the lack of cross type sensors. I think they did exactly what they set out to do with the 6D and I don't get all the complaints. If the 6D doesn't work for you, fork over the dough for the 5D or buy a 70D/7D.

A 6D with more cross points would still not save to two memory cards - doesn't matter to hobbyists but does matter to the main group of people Canon targets the 5D3 at. A wedding with 500 lost photos from a corrupt card is no fun wedding...

Next thing - the AF of a 7D is still a long way from the AF of the 5D3. Cross points in a 6D wouldn't make it into a 5D3 killer.

By the way - have you checked how much cross points the dark competitor thinks is ok to add to lower-tier cameras?

Any final question: do you pat your camera? It's a tool, and so should be possible to debate stong/weak aspects of. Why do you feel the 6D threatened by this debate?

Agree with your points above.

However, I wouldn't necessarily day Nikon did That much better with the D600s AF. Definitely more cross type but the array isn't all that great. A little more coverage by center weighted for sure.

CJCMarquez wrote in post #16420140
Agree with your points above.

However, I wouldn't necessarily day Nikon did That much better with the D600s AF. Definitely more cross type but the array isn't all that great. A little more coverage by center weighted for sure.

I agree. Many crosses isn't the same as good crosses. Or well-placed crosses.

pwm2 wrote in post #16420136
A 6D with more cross points would still not save to two memory cards - doesn't matter to hobbyists but does matter to the main group of people Canon targets the 5D3 at. A wedding with 500 lost photos from a corrupt card is no fun wedding...

Next thing - the AF of a 7D is still a long way from the AF of the 5D3. Cross points in a 6D wouldn't make it into a 5D3 killer.

By the way - have you checked how much cross points the dark competitor thinks is ok to add to lower-tier cameras?

Any final question: do you pat your camera? It's a tool, and so should be possible to debate stong/weak aspects of. Why do you feel the 6D threatened by this debate?

Yes, I agree, the 5D3 is a semi-pro camera, but there are a lot of people out there who are not in any way a pro and buy it simply because they want the extra AF points. I've read people say this in several threads, moaning about the lack of extra cross types in the 6D, so again, Canon's marketing is working.

I have no idea what you're talking about with that "dark competitor" comment.

And when did I ever say it (or myself) was threatened? Yea, it has short comings, but compared to what? There's nothing else in it's price bracket that meets my needs as well, so I have nothing to complain about. Oh, here, I'd love it if my LCD had an auto brightness setting.

CJCMarquez wrote in post #16420140
Agree with your points above.

However, I wouldn't necessarily day Nikon did That much better with the D600s AF. Definitely more cross type but the array isn't all that great. A little more coverage by center weighted for sure.

I brought that up earlier and it was glossed over. Brings me back to my point, what on the market do people see as doing "better" than the 6D for the same price? because the D600 certainly isn't it (unless dual card slots is that important to you, which for some people it may well be, I limit myself to small cards so I don't have to fear about it as much).