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Nov 17, 2013 23:06 |  #571

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call me crazy but I've been considering swapping my 5Diii for a 6D/7D pair... The problem is I love love love my 5Diii. it's really the best single camera body I've every used. But I'd like a cropper and I'd like wifi so the swap makes sense in that regard. But it's tough.

Wait for the 7D2 which will arrive in 2014 and will probably have WiFi. This way you can keep your 5D3. Another option is buying a CamRanger which will add WiFi to your 5D3 (but in a more advanced way than the EOS Remote app).


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Nov 17, 2013 23:07 |  #572

jocau wrote in post #16459814 (external link)
Wait for the 7D2 which will arrive in 2014 and will probably have WiFi. This way you can keep your 5D3.

Or just get the 70D ;)

BTW, you ever buy that 6D? You know you want to... :lol:


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Nov 17, 2013 23:23 |  #573

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #16459817 (external link)
Or just get the 70D ;)

BTW, you ever buy that 6D? You know you want to... :lol:

The 70D is indeed also an option.

Recently had my first hands-on experience with the 5D3. Even though it was pretty short, I was impressed by its AF system. Prices are also slowly coming down to a point where I want them to be. Of course I also handled the 6D again. It remains a nice camera. And really cheap now for a fullframe camera.

I think I will wait for the 7D2 and see if that could be an extra contender. If it would have WiFi built-in, the same AF system as the 5D3 and let's say 13-14 stops of DR at ISO100, then it would make things even harder...


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Nov 24, 2013 08:49 |  #574

Why do people care so much how it looks or feels? It's how it performs that matters, and that is very impressive. Coming from a Rebel I can say the 6D is very comfortable and feels solid to me. Saying you'll buy a 5D2 any day proves you either can't afford the 6D or haven't used or compared it.


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Nov 24, 2013 10:11 |  #575

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Nov 26, 2013 13:24 |  #576

Jan Jasinski wrote in post #16476156 (external link)
Why do people care so much how it looks or feels? It's how it performs that matters, and that is very impressive. Coming from a Rebel I can say the 6D is very comfortable and feels solid to me. Saying you'll buy a 5D2 any day proves you either can't afford the 6D or haven't used or compared it.

it matters but it's not the end all of a camera. If for example a camera doesn't fit well in your hand or you find the layout confusing no matter how many times you use the camera then your less likely to use the camera. When your spending thousands of dollars on equipment then you want to feel like you want to use the camera.


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Nov 26, 2013 14:26 |  #577

Mark0159 wrote in post #16481765 (external link)
it matters but it's not the end all of a camera. If for example a camera doesn't fit well in your hand or you find the layout confusing no matter how many times you use the camera then your less likely to use the camera. When your spending thousands of dollars on equipment then you want to feel like you want to use the camera.

And this is a decisive advantage of the 6D. It's compact and lightweight design make it easy to handle. Considering how heavy full frame L lenses can be, shedding as much weight as possible in the body is all the more important. The 6D also features an ideal sized grip, large enough to handle the weight of lenses like the 70-200mm IS II 2.8.


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Nov 26, 2013 16:04 |  #578

Mornnb wrote in post #16481906 (external link)
And this is a decisive advantage of the 6D. It's compact and lightweight design make it easy to handle. Considering how heavy full frame L lenses can be, shedding as much weight as possible in the body is all the more important. The 6D also features an ideal sized grip, large enough to handle the weight of lenses like the 70-200mm IS II 2.8.

Not really. A heavy lens on a lightweight body isn't really a good concept. It works but you generally gets a nicer system when the camera isn't almost hanging on the lens. A large grip gives more leverage and changing the center of gravity affects usage.

Except for now, when I have one arm in a sling, I prefer the extra size/weight of a grip on the 5D2. It feels smother/more stable when paired with a 70-200/2.8 or 100-400. With a smaller lens, it's ok to skip the grip.


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Nov 26, 2013 18:28 |  #579

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Not really. A heavy lens on a lightweight body isn't really a good concept. It works but you generally gets a nicer system when the camera isn't almost hanging on the lens. A large grip gives more leverage and changing the center of gravity affects usage.

When did this theory that heavy bodies are better come about? If you look back at the older film SLR's such as the EOS 1N, you will see that it weighs about 855 grams. The 1v following it a bit less than 100 grams more. A touch more than the 6D. Then we go digital, and the weight jumps to 1.2-1.4 kg's. I can't remember any of the pro photographers complaining about how light their cameras were back in the film days. Perhaps there may be a little more marketing rather than fact behind it all?




  
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Nov 26, 2013 19:20 |  #580

Why should they complain? Wouldn't they first have to try multiple alternatives before tmight form their views? You think it's marketing that makes me decide on grip or not depending on what lenses I will be out using?


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Nov 26, 2013 20:04 |  #581

I for one like the lightness, paired with the 40mm pancake I can hardly notice I'm carrying the camera! That's less than 900 grams :)

Although I've never shot with a heavier lens than my 24-105mm… not sure how that would feel.


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Nov 26, 2013 20:15 |  #582

NCHANT wrote in post #16482574 (external link)
I for one like the lightness, paired with the 40mm pancake I can hardly notice I'm carrying the camera! That's less than 900 grams :)

Although I've never shot with a heavier lens than my 24-105mm… not sure how that would feel.

Light is great with the 40 or a 24-105. Or when carrying the gear and using a tripod. But I prefer to put on a grip if hand-holding a 100-400. I feel I gain a significant amount of extra stability.


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Nov 26, 2013 20:21 |  #583

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Light is great with the 40 or a 24-105. Or when carrying the gear and using a tripod. But I prefer to put on a grip if hand-holding a 100-400. I feel I gain a significant amount of extra stability.


+1 even with the Canon 70-200 II.

I rented it before when I had my 60D and I preferred to use it with my grip on as it didn't feel balanced without it.

Edit: I do like the lighter body for smaller/lenses however


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Nov 26, 2013 20:22 |  #584

NCHANT wrote in post #16482574 (external link)
I for one like the lightness, paired with the 40mm pancake I can hardly notice I'm carrying the camera! That's less than 900 grams :)

Although I've never shot with a heavier lens than my 24-105mm… not sure how that would feel.

Same. Another lightness fan here. I loved my T2i/550D with its plastic 55-250 and small light primes. I love my Panny compact, and can shoot that at crazy slow shutter speeds with great results, even though it doesn't even have a viewfinder and it's being held out at arms length. I'm just curious if anyone has actually tested whether heavy bodies provide more keepers due to stability. In comparison to a lighter body with the same lens.




  
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Nov 26, 2013 20:28 |  #585

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I'm just curious if anyone has actually tested whether heavy bodies provide more keepers due to stability. In comparison to a lighter body with the same lens.

I feel that there may not bean easy answer. It would probably depend on lens and how the user tries to hold the gear. Length of arms and size of hands are also likely to affect the outcome. And if user uses left or right eye.

We already know that there is a huge difference how slow shutter speeds different persons can manage.


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