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Nov 01, 2013 18:08 |  #76

bobbyz wrote in post #16415964 (external link)
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Trust me, try 5dmk3, it is next best after 1dx. If a camera had all points as good as center and had tons of them why would it not be good. There is reason 7d, 1dmk4, 1dx, 5dmk3 have those cross points. Now for some folks it doesn't matter based on what they shoot.

from my limited experience, I did not have the same luck with the 85L. Pretty much any AF flaw, you can find by using that lens ;)

while the outer points did seem significantly faster and more accurate than the 6D, I was left with much to be desired. I turned off all non cross points when I was shooting. I found that area AF was a miserable failure, single point was ok on accuracy, and center super reliable. I did miss a lot of shots with outer points, not as many as the 6D would have, but still a significant amount that had me second guessing myself.

it was just a birthday party/favor, so no big deal. I've shot with it for 3 total events, and I was not totally pleased with the outer points. It's definitely faster AND more accurate, but it's just not on the level of center point. I may have missed 1 out of 5, where center may miss 1 out of 100.


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Nov 01, 2013 18:21 |  #77
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Charlie wrote in post #16417105 (external link)
I may have missed 1 out of 5, where center may miss 1 out of 100.

If that was your success rate with 85L wide open I would be more than satisfied tbh.

With 6D outer point you'd be probably looking at 0 or 1 out of 5 :p


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Nov 01, 2013 18:40 |  #78
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kin2son wrote in post #16417129 (external link)
With 6D outer point you'd be probably looking at 0 or 1 out of 5 :p

Have you updated the firmware on your 5DIII? Seems your time might be better spent fixing real problems with the camera you own rather than constantly whining about bogus problems on a camera you wished you had purchased instead.


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Bakewell wrote in post #16417163 (external link)
Have you updated the firmware on your 5DIII? Seems your time might be better spent fixing real problems with the camera you own rather than constantly whining about bogus problems on a camera you wished you had purchased instead.

Blahahaha that's so funny ;)

Having owned the 5D2 I knew exactly that 6D isn't the camera for me. I need reliable off centre points to be able to track, 6D's outer points even struggle with static subject in not so great light :p

High iso never makes or breaks a photo, AF does imho.


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Nov 01, 2013 20:33 |  #80

Well, all this talk about the 6D outer points in low light is making me want to go and test it in my low-lit living room. I'll try a couple of lenses...


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Nov 01, 2013 20:54 |  #81

gabebalazs wrote in post #16417399 (external link)
Well, all this talk about the 6D outer points in low light is making me want to go and test it in my low-lit living room. I'll try a couple of lenses...

I've been shooting my dog and cat for the past 2 days (30MPH+ winds and rain outside here in Buffalo. And as you say, not taking my baby outside) It works AWESOME in low light...

Compared to my T4i this thing is amazing! Can't believe how clean it stays when you crank up the ISO (cliche 6D remark, but true). I found my T4i struggled with all points in low light, and not very clean past ~1600. I'm happy to now have the center which is so accurate. I can't speak a ton to the outer points yet as I haven't tried a lot. The thing feels SO much better than the rebel in the hands. It's JUST big enough to be welcomed. I have sort of small hands though. I initially wanted a grip just because I liked it on my T4 but now I'm not so sure. It's just comfy as is.

I got this camera to get better images of my newborn (due 11/12/13). It will do that, among other things.

Any good hobby is gonna have opinions (Haters!) :lol:

These threads are usually the best to stumble upon though when doing the initial research for a new body, so lets keep stirring the pot!


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Nov 01, 2013 20:56 |  #82
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gabebalazs wrote in post #16417399 (external link)
Well, all this talk about the 6D outer points in low light is making me want to go and test it in my low-lit living room. I'll try a couple of lenses...

It's been done to death. Try comparing it to your 7D's outer points. The difference is night and day even for one shot static subject.

You can pretty much skip any kinds of servo test.


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Nov 01, 2013 21:00 |  #83

...well I'm back.

I've just shot about 40 pictures in my badly lit living room. It's almost 10 p.m. here so obviously no daylight :)

My 6D was on auto ISO. I used various lenses.

The amount of light resulted in photos between ISO 5000 and 12800 at shutter speed around 1/80 to 1/100 at f/2.8. So I would not call that good lighting at all. Most events that I shoot have considerably better lighting.

Lenses used: Canon 24-105 f/4L, Sigma 70-200 2.8 OS, Canon 85 f/1.8, and Tamron 24-70 2.8 VC.

I used various off center points to mix it up. My keeper rate is 1 or 2 out of focus images out of 40.
I used one-shot AF and AI Servo. AI Servo is about twice as fast in low light on the 6D but still retains the same accuracy. Static shots taken in AI Servo have similar speed as my 7D, and just as accurate. I actually started a whole new thread about this (surprised even Roger Cicala of Lensrentals, whose main camera happens to be a 6D. If anybody, he could really pick whatever he wanted :) )
It's true that due to the non-cross type AF points, the 6D occasionally struggled when I aimed at vertical window blinds or books on the shelf AND I happened to be on an AF point that is sensitive only to horizontal patterns. Usually that not a problem with people's faces.

No offence but I know that me doing this test won't change anything. People who believe the 6D is subpar or even "unusable", will continue to believe so. People who own it, continue to think it's good :)

Again, I just must be lucky that I have a rare 6D that has outer AF points that work in less than perfect light. I tested it, it works, I know that I can trust it when I shoot under similar conditions. That's my conclusion, I proved to myself that what some people state that the 6D outer points CANNOT focus even on static subject in less than perfect light is not true. Proof is in the pudding.

And no, I didn't buy my 6D to chase and track dragonflies at twilight with the outer AF points :) And I don't understand why so many people just can't get it. We don't buy the 6D to do demanding fast-paced AI tracking. The 5DII was the same (even a bit worse in the AF department) still it didn't prevent it from becoming a legend, the most used FF camera of all time, used by countless pros.


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Nov 01, 2013 21:08 |  #84

kin2son wrote in post #16417439 (external link)
It's been done to death. Try comparing it to your 7D's outer points. The difference is night and day even for one shot static subject.

You can pretty much skip any kinds of servo test.

I really need to post that video I made about the AF speed of the 7D vs 6D for static shots. The results may surprise you.


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Nov 01, 2013 21:10 |  #85

kin2son wrote in post #16417439 (external link)
It's been done to death. Try comparing it to your 7D's outer points. The difference is night and day even for one shot static subject.

You can pretty much skip any kinds of servo test.

Everyone who owns the 6D is willing to accept it has shortcomings, even pointing them out. An educated bunch I suppose.

Why then can't you accept that it may be a good (and often great!) camera for certain people?


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chubbyone wrote in post #16417466 (external link)
Everyone who owns the 6D is willing to accept it has shortcomings, even pointing them out. An educated bunch I suppose.

Why then can't you accept that it y be a good (and often great!) camera for certain people?

Don't get me wrong, I understand and acknowledge all the short comings, and that's exactly the reason why I didn't get one :p

You'd be surprised how many potential 6D buyers have no idea what they are missing out, as plenty of them are Rebel owners and only thinking about upgrading due to the low price, and/or just haven't used anything better.

I guess sooner or later they will figure it out as to why they are getting oof shots and thus moving onto something better, such as Talley and bobbyz.


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Nov 01, 2013 21:31 |  #87

kin2son wrote in post #16417485 (external link)
Don't get me wrong, I understand and acknowledge all the short comings, and that's exactly the reason why I didn't get one :p

You'd be surprised how many potential 6D buyers have no idea what they are missing out, as plenty of them are Rebel owners and only thinking about upgrading due to the low price, and/or just haven't used anything better.

I guess sooner or later they will figure it out as to why they are getting oof shots, such as Talley and bobbyz.

Now your just being ignorant.

Sorry to be blunt. I am in the "upgrade because it was inexpensive" group, but not just for sake of upgrade. I knew what I wanted to gain and did so.

When the 5D4 comes out, I'll pay shipping from AU for your 5D3 which can't possibly be touched after.


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Nov 01, 2013 21:37 |  #88
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chubbyone wrote in post #16417492 (external link)
Now your just being ignorant.

Sorry to be blunt. I am in the "upgrade because it was inexpensive" group, but not just for sake of upgrade. I knew what I wanted to gain and did so.

When the 5D4 comes out, I'll pay shipping from AU for your 5D3 which can't possibly be touched after.

Again there's a need to point out what's obvious to you to other potential 6D buyers who all they think about is full frame and high ISO performance. Good for you that you accepted all the shortcomings and know exactly what you're getting into.

As I've said before, noise doesn't make a break a shot, AF does.


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Nov 01, 2013 21:43 |  #89

kin2son wrote in post #16417505 (external link)
Again there's a need to point out what's obvious to you to other potential 6D buyers who all they think about is full frame and high ISO performance. Good for you that you accepted all the shortcomings and know exactly what you're getting into.

Have a good night (morning? your thought process must be upside-down like your country :p). Your blatantly trolling at this point, which isn't adding anything here.

Talk to me when you get a medium format. 5Diii psshhh.


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chubbyone wrote in post #16417515 (external link)
Have a good night (morning? your thought process must be upside-down like your country :p). Your blatantly trolling at this point, which isn't adding anything here.

That's all he ever does...he IS the 6D TROLL on this forum. His arguments tend to always be baseless, made-up garbage designed to incite.


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