Sony A7 and A7R DXO Review - Highest full frame IQ ever.

Ginga wrote in post #16418091
Precisely. Nor the price of 1D-series.

But I fully expect Canon to launch their D800 (D900?) / A7R "competitor", as a $7.000 big ass 1D. And then they'll market it with words like "amazing, groundbreaking, revolutionary", e.t.c.

I wouldn't count on it - Sony (i.e. Nikon) is due to launch its own Exmor follow-up in late 2014 or 2015, while Canon hasn't made any real improvement in image quality since first breaking the 20MP barrier with the 1Ds3 in 2007...

Kolor-Pikker wrote in post #16418100
Is it about that rumor regarding the Q2 2014 Canon 1-series that'll replace the 1DX? CR mentioned the 1Dx will get a price drop, but this new camera will likely be 2 grand more anyway. That's well over a year away, for a bigger camera, for a lot more money, that no one even knows will be good yet.

Get the Sony if it's features and usability float your boat, the AF is nowhere near DSLR performance after all, especially with an adapter on. (unless it's the Sony adapter and A mount glass) For tripod shooters, the A7r is a dream come true, but it wont be half bad hand held either, and the 55mm 1.8 is looking to be an incredible lens from all the previews... A mini-Otus, but with better bokeh.

Plus, it will take Canon another year to test it before they actually ship the camera.

Shadowblade wrote in post #16418131
I wouldn't count on it - Sony (i.e. Nikon) is due to launch its own Exmor follow-up in late 2014 or 2015, while Canon hasn't made any real improvement in image quality since first breaking the 20MP barrier with the 1Ds3 in 2007...

Yup.

Interesting review from Cyberphoto in Sweden. The camera received a Gold Medeal (the highest) and below are some quotes in english:

“Compared to the Nikon D800 the noise at high ISO is slightly worse on A7R but on the other hand sharpness is a lot better”
“The Sony Alpha 7R is a fantastic, no compromise full frame camera”
“If you are looking for maximum sharpeness and amazing details, the Sony A7R is your camera”

Sounds sweet!

Osiriz wrote in post #16418446
Interesting review from Cyberphoto in Sweden. The camera received a Gold Medeal (the highest) and below are some quotes in english:

“Compared to the Nikon D800 the noise at high ISO is slightly worse on A7R but on the other hand sharpness is a lot better”
“The Sony Alpha 7R is a fantastic, no compromise full frame camera”
“If you are looking for maximum sharpeness and amazing details, the Sony A7R is your camera”

Sounds sweet!

A translated quote from Cyberphoto:

When it comes to noise at higher ISO speeds, it is actually visible already at 400, and comparatively clear of 800. Compared to eg Nikon D800 so the noise is more noticeable, but on the other hand, the images at high ISO much sharper with A7R, suggesting that D800 reduces the noise harder.

Since there is a similar 36Mp sensor in A7R as the Nikon D800/D800E, so we were a little curious to see if there was any difference in exposure, colors, etc. We stowed therefore also a D800 and took identical pictures at the same time, and as expected, they gave slightly different results. What differed most was how they perceived the colors and shades, ie white balance. Exposure was not exactly the same every time, A7R was not to be fooled as often as D800 of dark or light element in the scene. However, on the whole relatively small differences. But then, it was after all this with clarity and detail reproduction, and which looked better in all the pictures taken with A7R. The biggest difference was noticeable on small aperture around f/16, probably thanks to Sony's built-in reduction of diffraction. But the lens was not the same either, and obviously have some impact.
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Ginga wrote in post #16418091
But I fully expect Canon to launch their D800 (D900?) / A7R "competitor", as a $7.000 big ass 1D. And then they'll market it with words like "amazing, groundbreaking, revolutionary", e.t.c.

Well, weight-wise, if you drop it, it'll be ground-breaking.

:p

I was planning on buying a 5D3...how does this "kick it in the butt"?

These stats are cool and all but I need to see images before making a decision.

thedcmule2 wrote in post #16420176
I was planning on buying a 5D3...how does this "kick it in the butt"?

These stats are cool and all but I need to see images before making a decision.

Image quality. It trumps Canon when it comes to resolution, sharpness and dynamic range. A bonus is that the camera is much smaller and lighter than the 5D3, but that is just a matter of taste.

Do you shoot a lot of contrasty images at base ISO, like landscapes e.t.c? Do you like postprocessing, and the ability to pull loads of detail from the shadows without ruining the image quality?

Then this camera is for you.

I have the 5D3, but if the A7R produces sharp images with my EF-glass, I will probably get rid of the 5D3.

thedcmule2 wrote in post #16420176
I was planning on buying a 5D3...how does this "kick it in the butt"?

These stats are cool and all but I need to see images before making a decision.

Image quality is obviously not a problem with this camera.

If you do shoot sports, fast moving subjects and/or in very dark conditions, then the 5DIII is obviously far more suited for your purposes.

savoirferret wrote in post #16419891
Well, weight-wise, if you drop it, it'll be ground-breaking.

:p

Nah, that would be a Nokia.

thedcmule2 wrote in post #16420176
I was planning on buying a 5D3...how does this "kick it in the butt"?

These stats are cool and all but I need to see images before making a decision.

Have you visited SonyAlphaRumors.com any time in the last two weeks? There are a ton of images out there, although they are all in jpeg, they are impressive non the less. The 35/2.8 and 55/1.8 can easily resolve the 36mp sensor.

But you are right in asking "how" it kicks butt, because it doesn't focus as fast as a DSLR, so if you're into sports, wildlife, or anything else where you need "instant" focusing capabilities, the A7r is going to come up short. Although you could get the LA-EA4 adapter and some Sony Alpha lenses, then it will focus just as fast as an A99. The only real downside I can think of is the 380 shot battery life, but you can just get some extras.

Other than that it has: Better DR from ISO100-800, much more resolution, is smaller and lighter, can accept any lens from any camera system, has an electronic viewfinder with focus peaking and auto zoom on manual focus, has a tilting screen, wireless tethering, etc.

This is a camera that's just compact enough to allow you to take it anywhere with you all the time, but still have the features of a high-end DSLR, it's win-win. I don't always take my 5D2 and 24-70 2.8 with me because of it's size, and yesterday I had a nightmare of not being able to take an awesome photo because I didn't have my camera with me, good thing it was a dream... Or not, because it would be awesome if I could have taken a photo...

How much slower are these sony's going to be in low light or for moving objects than say a 5D3?

I have a fantastic 1DIII I will probably be selling soon for full frame and video abilities, and would love something compact (as Kolor Pikker said above, I have missed many shots just because I don't want to lug around my giant camera and lenses any more). But I will be shooting some low light/action photography.

Also, will this Sony have the equivalent of sRaw or mRaw? I wouldn't always want files that large.

drisley wrote in post #16422014
How much slower are these sony's going to be in low light or for moving objects than say a 5D3?

I have a fantastic 1DIII I will probably be selling soon for full frame and video abilities, and would love something compact (as Kolor Pikker said above, I have missed many shots just because I don't want to lug around my giant camera and lenses any more). But I will be shooting some low light/action photography.

Also, will this Sony have the equivalent of sRaw or mRaw? I wouldn't always want files that large.

Much slower, most likely.

No-one's buying the A7r for AF speed - if you want to shoot action, use an SLR.

I don't plan to buy a single native lens for the A7 or A7R (not sure which model I might go with yet). The native lenses are too slow. I don't understand why they didn't replicate the nice 35mm f/2 in the RX1; I would have had a more interest in that. And I'll never buy a 24-70mm f/4.

So, for my purposes, the A7/R is strictly a platform for shooting Canon-mount MF lenses (Zeiss and the Tilt-Shifts). When I need great AF then that is what the 5D III is for.

David Arbogast wrote in post #16422266
I don't plan to buy a single native lens for the A7 or A7R (not sure which model I might go with yet). The native lenses are too slow. I don't understand why they didn't replicate the nice 35mm f/2 in the RX1; I would have had a more interest in that. And I'll never buy a 24-70mm f/4.

So, for my purposes, the A7/R is strictly a platform for shooting Canon-mount MF lenses (Zeiss and the Tilt-Shifts). When I need great AF then that is what the 5D III is for.

Yeah, Sony is a little clueless when it comes to fast glass, ESPECIALLY primes. Not sure if there is a problem with it because of the mirrorless aspect (distance of mount to sensor) or what. Fuji gets it when it comes to understanding fast glass. Sony has always done confusing things even more so than the innovation

I am quite sure, the way they listened and brought out a camera people actually want, they will bring out lenses to match

The only samples I have seen look pretty agressively NR'ed to be honest but JPG settings change all that. Be nice to see a RAW file.