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Apr 10, 2014 02:32 |  #1801

tohara wrote in post #16820506 (external link)
yeah but its the cheapest option for macro with decent AF. 75mm equivalent.

I've got the 55 but the min focus distance is a realy PitA

Hello Tohara!
Why not try the E 50mm f1.8 OSS + extention tube or a Nikon 4T close up filter? You'll get real close up (maybe 1:2 or thereabouts) + image stabiisation + a pretty wide aperture!

I don't think these fancy, wide aperture lenses (1.4 and lower) will offer really good quality images at close distances.




  
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Apr 10, 2014 04:50 |  #1802

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Hello Tohara!
Why not try the E 50mm f1.8 OSS + extention tube or a Nikon 4T close up filter? You'll get real close up (maybe 1:2 or thereabouts) + image stabiisation + a pretty wide aperture!

I don't think these fancy, wide aperture lenses (1.4 and lower) will offer really good quality images at close distances.

Agreed. I love the Canon 100L macro, but the reality of 'good' macro work is usually a tripod and manual focussing; thus a decent prime with extension tubes is absolutely fine.

You don't even need branded tubes, as third party air is just as good as Canon air ;)

I understand the 55 FE is excellent, but may not give much working distance with tubes, so a longer lens might be useful. As you're often stopped down for DOF I'd also agree that a super fast prime isn't critical.


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Apr 10, 2014 04:52 |  #1803

Tohara, you could pick up a Sigma AML-2 and give it a shot. It has 49mm threads, so it fits the FE 55.....it may be at least worth considering. I believe there is a Sony macro lens on the roadmap (who knows if it's legit), so it might hold you over until then.

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Apr 10, 2014 08:54 |  #1804

sploo wrote in post #16823153 (external link)
Agreed. I love the Canon 100L macro, but the reality of 'good' macro work is usually a tripod and manual focussing; thus a decent prime with extension tubes is absolutely fine.

You don't even need branded tubes, as third party air is just as good as Canon air ;)

I understand the 55 FE is excellent, but may not give much working distance with tubes, so a longer lens might be useful. As you're often stopped down for DOF I'd also agree that a super fast prime isn't critical.

For a lot of close up work (not real photo macrography) I find a tripod more of a hindrance. Shooting butterflies and small fidgety bugs using is tripod is very impractical. Even for wild flowers in the high Himalayas, a tripod can be quite a pain in terms of carrying weight at 4000 meters plus and offers limited utility on steep slopes (although I do have a Benbo which I plan to put up for sale soon for this reason of extra weight. {That's another way of admitting I am growing old!}).

Mobility, agility and speed in acquiring target are of essence. I prefer to go with a 150 SIgma or equivalent IS lens hand held. Often a 300m IS with extention tube makes for acceptably close butterfly shots - especially of those species that do not like gawking intruders into their air space!

If one is into still or static close ups, I find a Canon FD 50mm/f3.5 + tube + tripod pretty good too.

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Apr 10, 2014 11:07 |  #1805

khukri wrote in post #16823453 (external link)
For a lot of close up work (not real photo macrography) I find a tripod more of a hindrance. Shooting butterflies and small fidgety bugs using is tripod is very impractical. Even for wild flowers in the high Himalayas, a tripod can be quite a pain in terms of carrying weight at 4000 meters plus and offers limited utility on steep slopes (although I do have a Benbo which I plan to put up for sale soon for this reason of extra weight. {That's another way of admitting I am growing old!}).

Mobility, agility and speed in acquiring target are of essence. I prefer to go with a 150 SIgma or equivalent IS lens hand held. Often a 300m IS with extention tube makes for acceptably close butterfly shots - especially of those species that do not like gawking intruders into their air space!

If one is into still or static close ups, I find a Canon FD 50mm/f3.5 + tube + tripod pretty good too.

All the best!

Absolutely - and that's why I love the IS enabled 100L, but years shooting ISO 50 slide film with cheap tubes and a cheap zoom lens meant tripods were a must ;).

TBH These days a DSLR with a decent consumer zoom (e.g. the Tamron 70-300 VC) at ~100mm, with tubes, can work pretty well even handheld. The biggest problem I often find is moving in and out of the (shallow) plane of focus when at really high magnification, as opposed to vibration or up/down/left/right movements. A monopod could help in that regard I guess, and be lighter & less cumbersome than a tripod.

I do prefer tubes to a closeup lens though, as it's not adding any extra glass, and isn't filter size dependant.


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Apr 10, 2014 11:29 |  #1806

sploo wrote in post #16823768 (external link)
The biggest problem I often find is moving in and out of the (shallow) plane of focus when at really high magnification, as opposed to vibration or up/down/left/right movements. A monopod could help in that regard I guess, and be lighter & less cumbersome than a tripod.

Or go for something as simple as a beanpole as recommended in this excellent FAQ by LordV:
https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=807056


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Apr 10, 2014 13:30 |  #1807

I had a chance to shoot with the A7R at under weak lights when I accompanied some visiting friends on a night tour of Las vegas. I took many shots and not happy with high noise and very very slow focus on the FE55, almost not focusing on the Canon 17-40 and very high noise at high iso, worst than my Canon 5D2. Anyway here are a couple with the 17-40 mm on table top tripod,

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Apr 10, 2014 17:01 |  #1808

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Or go for something as simple as a beanpole as recommended in this excellent FAQ by LordV:
https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=807056

Nice idea. I've rested cameras (and myself) against countless things for shooting support over the years but have never used a beanpole. They're certainly very light and portable, though I suspect you might get a few strange looks with one strapped to a backpack ;)


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Apr 10, 2014 17:04 |  #1809

I'm notorious for finding objects to press the camera against to gain a couple of stops of extra IS. More than one late night walker have been wondering about my alcohol level when they have seen me pressed against a lamp post :p


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Apr 10, 2014 17:06 |  #1810

sploo wrote in post #16824624 (external link)
Nice idea. I've rested cameras (and myself) against countless things for shooting support over the years but have never used a beanpole. They're certainly very light and portable, though I suspect you might get a few strange looks with one strapped to a backpack ;)

what the heck is a beanpole?


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Apr 10, 2014 17:07 |  #1811

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what the heck is a beanpole?

Let's try an advanced operation and activate oncle Google...
http://www.thefreedict​ionary.com/beanpole (external link)


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Apr 10, 2014 17:09 |  #1812

Charlie wrote in post #16824638 (external link)
what the heck is a beanpole?

pwm2 wrote in post #16824642 (external link)
Let's try an advanced operation and activate oncle Google...
http://www.thefreedict​ionary.com/beanpole (external link)

See also "cane" or "bamboo pole" ;)


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Apr 10, 2014 18:57 |  #1813

tsdevine wrote in post #16823155 (external link)
Tohara, you could pick up a Sigma AML-2 and give it a shot. It has 49mm threads, so it fits the FE 55.....it may be at least worth considering. I believe there is a Sony macro lens on the roadmap (who knows if it's legit), so it might hold you over until then.

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What sort of minimum focus are you getting?


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Apr 10, 2014 19:31 |  #1814

From the focal plane mark on the camera, to the subject, it's about 10 1/4 inches....best as I could measure.

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What sort of minimum focus are you getting?



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Apr 15, 2014 05:01 as a reply to  @ tsdevine's post |  #1815

I didn't plan for red lunar eclipse tonight, but too good to walk away from it.
So I took some shots with Canon 135L only:

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Much much better than I ever dream...

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