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Feb 03, 2014 13:25 |  #1351

To those with A7, do you ever regret not going for the A7R? Do you actually see/feel the shortcoming? I probably fall under the A7 category, but what if I need that extra MP someday? The price difference is rather steep but don't want to have buyer's remorse later..

To those with A7R, do you ever think it's an overkill for what you do? How do like managing such large files?


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Feb 03, 2014 13:28 |  #1352

Gene, your skies (school and geese shots) are a good example of what I referenced earlier: they're posterized.It may be mainly a Flickr thing, but I've had more trouble with that on the a7 than with Canon cameras (or in my experience with the Nikon D800). Anyway, it's something that I now have to be diligent about when processing a7 files. Probably the easiest fix is just to apply a very small amount of noise in Photoshop to the posterized areas.

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To those with A7, do you ever regret not going for the A7R? Do you actually see/feel the shortcoming? I probably fall under the A7 category, but what if I need that extra MP someday? The price difference is rather steep but don't want to have buyer's remorse later..

To those with A7R, do you ever think it's an overkill for what you do? How do like managing such large files?

Great question. As one who chose the a7, I wish I had a good answer. :lol: I am indeed 90% happy with my decision to go with the a7. That's because 90% of the time 24MP is more than adequate. But, I may well buy an a7R as well to use for my high-detail captures (landscapes and architecture). I have already taken a few photos where I really wish I had 36MP. On the other hand, I have some terrific pano gear from Really Right Stuff, so I am also considering just doing multi-shot stitch images whenever I want greater resolution.

I thought it was interesting that CNET recommended the a7R over the a7: http://reviews.cnet.co​m …4505-6501_7-35829203.html (external link) .

No doubt, storage is cheap and it's no problem (for me) finding plenty of space for 36MP files, but if you don't need 36MP it's just a waste.

I have had a rather unexpected experience with my a7: moire. I don't get moire with my 5D III and the a7 is supposed to have an AA filter, but apparently it's a really weak one. It is possible that had I taken the same shot with an a7R the moire may have been less or non-existent (even though the a7R doesn't have an AA filter) simply because of the greater resolution.


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Feb 03, 2014 13:44 |  #1353
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Feb 03, 2014 14:11 as a reply to  @ jetcode's post |  #1354

Zethar wrote in post #16660598 (external link)
Gene, was this shot at 1.8? If so, quite impressive!!! What an amazing lens.

To be sure I had sufficient DOF, I was shooting at f8. Same for the geese as they were unexpected and I just pointed up and fired away.

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To those with A7, do you ever regret not going for the A7R? Do you actually see/feel the shortcoming? I probably fall under the A7 category, but what if I need that extra MP someday? The price difference is rather steep but don't want to have buyer's remorse later..

To those with A7R, do you ever think it's an overkill for what you do? How do like managing such large files?

As David mentioned, disk space is cheap nowadays and the file size difference between my 5D3 and a7r varies between about 7 to 11mb. This is just my opinion but I think I'd rather have the extra resolution and not need it than to not have it and wish I did. It still amazes me how much I can crop an image and still wind up with a file at a higher resolution than my 5D3 straight out of the camera.

David Arbogast wrote in post #16660608 (external link)
Gene, your skies (school and geese shots) are a good example of what I referenced earlier: they're posterized.It may be mainly a Flickr thing, but I've had more trouble with that on the a7 than with Canon cameras (or in my experience with the Nikon D800). Anyway, it's something that I now have to be diligent about when processing a7 files. Probably the easiest fix is just to apply a very small amount of noise in Photoshop to the posterized areas.

I'm not doubting that there's posterizing going on in the skies David but my poor eyes are having a hard time seeing it. I think I'd blame a lot of it on my pushing the processing more than I should have on these. I'll have to be more aware of this potential problem in the future so I can avoid that result in future images.

Boy, I really need to have my eyes checked. After a closer look, I think I do see some blockiness in the sky...and sometimes the more I look, the less I see any.


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Feb 03, 2014 16:28 |  #1355

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This is the school and museum where two of my grandkids attend. It's a great place to learn. While photographing the school, I heard an awful sqawking noise. I looked up and the previous images show what met my eyes...lots and lots of geese.

Shot using the Sony 55mm.

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This is about a 54% crop.

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I couldn't even see the geese through my viewfinder because of how bright it was. I could only hope the camera would focus...and it did great.

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Feb 03, 2014 17:21 |  #1356

David Arbogast wrote in post #16660608 (external link)
Gene, your skies (school and geese shots) are a good example of what I referenced earlier: they're posterized.It may be mainly a Flickr thing, but I've had more trouble with that on the a7 than with Canon cameras (or in my experience with the Nikon D800). Anyway, it's something that I now have to be diligent about when processing a7 files. Probably the easiest fix is just to apply a very small amount of noise in Photoshop to the posterized areas.

Great question. As one who chose the a7, I wish I had a good answer. :lol: I am indeed 90% happy with my decision to go with the a7. That's because 90% of the time 24MP is more than adequate. But, I may well buy an a7R as well to use for my high-detail captures (landscapes and architecture). I have already taken a few photos where I really wish I had 36MP. On the other hand, I have some terrific pano gear from Really Right Stuff, so I am also considering just doing multi-shot stitch images whenever I want greater resolution.

I thought it was interesting that CNET recommended the a7R over the a7: http://reviews.cnet.co​m …4505-6501_7-35829203.html (external link) .

No doubt, storage is cheap and it's no problem (for me) finding plenty of space for 36MP files, but if you don't need 36MP it's just a waste.

I have had a rather unexpected experience with my a7: moire. I don't get moire with my 5D III and the a7 is supposed to have an AA filter, but apparently it's a really weak one. It is possible that had I taken the same shot with an a7R the moire may have been less or non-existent (even though the a7R doesn't have an AA filter) simply because of the greater resolution.

from my understanding, there is little or no penalty to shoot 36MP because with the sony system, you can shoot less resolution if you choose to, unlike the Nikon D800. That would certainly tip the scales towards the A7R for me. MF lenses that dtufino has been using look really nice to have. Too many obligations this year, hopefully next year.


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Feb 03, 2014 17:33 |  #1357

So, it's not mandatory to shoot at 36MP all the time? If this is true, what would be the lower resolution options?


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Feb 03, 2014 18:08 |  #1358

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So, it's not mandatory to shoot at 36MP all the time? If this is true, what would be the lower resolution options?

Not sure if this is an option; unless you use lens for crop or 4/3 camera.


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Feb 03, 2014 18:34 |  #1359

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Arrived this arvo!

Can't use it yet as I had to send in the application to redeem the EF converter (was in the box) :(

Kewl! If you're in the Sydney CBD I could lend you mine for a little while (mostly use Nikon glass on it at the moment). Took a couple of weeks from the time of the notification email for mine to arrive in my PO box


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Feb 03, 2014 20:35 |  #1360

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make sure you pick up 2 cheap Canon FD to NEX adapters.

Then you're all set.

I picked up the 50 today. Came with the e mount adapter since he had used it on an nex.


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Feb 04, 2014 16:04 as a reply to  @ RedCatPhoto's post |  #1363

Cant figure this Icon out, I have M.M bottom of Lcd screen flashing -2.0 , its probably something simple but I just don't understand this , anyone? A7r btw

Found out it was Exp compensation, Metered Manual, but was wondering what that meant, I m on Manual setting and used sekonic meter to set camera settings


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Feb 04, 2014 17:20 |  #1364

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Kewl! If you're in the Sydney CBD I could lend you mine for a little while (mostly use Nikon glass on it at the moment). Took a couple of weeks from the time of the notification email for mine to arrive in my PO box

Thanks for the generous offer! However, they sent it out today via express post, so I'm expecting it in the next day or so.

Fingers crossed :lol:


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Feb 04, 2014 18:13 as a reply to  @ tupper's post |  #1365

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