How do I shoot wide with this lighting?

Ok, so I love shooting lighting like this and I also love selling large prints. It is my expirience that Im able to sell larger prints where the subject isnt as prominant in the image. ie More of the enviroment is showing. Anyway, I want to shoot this shoot, or even wider, with this lighting setup but not have the lights in the image. Obviously, I can boom the main light higher but won't raising the kickers change how their light falls?

Also, Id like to do this in one image so no shooting on a tripod and then removing in post.

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Oh, and obviously I could back the lights up but Im in an alleyway. I want the sides of the alleyway even in front of him but with this lighting.

Sounds like you've considered everything. The lights need to be where they are to do the job you want them to do. The post option is the easiest if you cant camoflage the lights behind something in the scene. I suppose if you backed him up a bit you could have had the lights hidden from view behind the buildings, but it would change the composition.

bring the subject and lights toward the camera.

sorry if that's too obvious, but i don't think it would change the photo much.

also, the person on the right certainly has more room to move right. and the back left light could also move toward the wall.

hes gone wrote in post #16429455
=he's gone;16429455]bring the subject and lights toward the camera.

sorry if that's too obvious, but i don't think it would change the photo much.

also, the person on the right certainly has more room to move right. and the back left light could also move toward the wall.

Well, if the light on the right were closer to camera, he'd have some kicker light on his nose, something I try to avoid. Also, Im trying to include the whole scene and keep this lighting, so I want to back up, not move him closer to camera.

Looks like you need some smoke and mirrors

abbadon31 wrote in post #16429563
Looks like you need some smoke and mirrors

Haha Thanks. I guess its just not possible without compositing. Thanks for looking/reading.

Use a tripod. Take a second shot without the lights and blend it in. Simple.

You might be able to boom the kickers or clamp them onto some part of the buildings. Of course it might change the evenness of the rim light on his sides a little but that's something easier to fix in post than comp'ing out the lights especially if you are not using a tripod. You might even benefit from raising the kickers because it will add rim light to the sides of his neck that are being blocked by his shoulders.

liquefied wrote in post #16429653
You might be able to boom the kickers or clamp them onto some part of the buildings. Of course it might change the evenness of the rim light on his sides a little but that's something easier to fix in post than comp'ing out the lights especially if you are not using a tripod. You might even benefit from raising the kickers because it will add rim light to the sides of his neck that are being blocked by his shoulders.

Agreed. Some idiot grabbed his tiny backdrop stand instead of his 6 foot one.

Use flags and bring some fake trees or plants to hide the stands and lights w/flags

Scatterbrained wrote in post #16429620
Use a tripod. Take a second shot without the lights and blend it in. Simple.

Thats what I was going to suggest. There are videos on You tube that show this as well. Take first shot of the scene, set up shoot the way you want, blend and clone out the lights in post is how its done

move slightly and find some nooks to hide the lights in.

Use booms to get your lights at the same height but in an easily photoshopable pattern. The light on the right side of the image would of been easily cloned out had less of the arm showed up. Using booms keeps the area needed to clone to a minimum.

I should warn you that images where lights should be visible but aren't seem unnatural to the eye, you're better off booming the lights higher, the lighting will make more sense to the brain.

Also, whats the logic with a nice suit and an alley? Is this a Senior? This is where he wants to end up? an alley? Maybe this is where he started off? Might just change venues, don't be lazy, walk a little.

Csae wrote in post #16429878
Use booms to get your lights at the same height but in an easily photoshopable pattern. The light on the right side of the image would of been easily cloned out had less of the arm showed up. Using booms keeps the area needed to clone to a minimum.

I should warn you that images where lights should be visible but aren't seem unnatural to the eye, you're better off booming the lights higher, the lighting will make more sense to the brain.

Also, whats the logic with a nice suit and an alley? Is this a Senior? This is where he wants to end up? an alley? Maybe this is where he started off? Might just change venues, don't be lazy, walk a little.

Thanks for your help and negativity.