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What do you NOT want to see on the new Canon 7D II

 
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Feb 04, 2014 08:36 |  #121

gjl711 wrote in post #16662380 (external link)
I sense that it's a hard concept for some folks to grasp much like the "not again" posts you see complaining about certain thread such as Nikon/Canon debates. There too it's easy to just pass it by but nope, they have to comment, just like a camera with video. It's easy to never use it but they just gotta complain.

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I am still to see people shooting video with the current 7D. I know that some people do and realise that some movies have even dabbled with it, but in the real world I have seen many 7Ds roaming wild and not one was grazing on the video feature.

For me it's a bit like SUVs and 4x4s here in the UK. It's nice to have 4x4 if you live where it snows in winter or if you live on a muddy farm, but most people don't need it, even though they think they should have it just in case. For most, 4x4 is a wasted feature that spoils fuel economy, adds cost to the purchase price of the vehicle and is often never used.


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Feb 04, 2014 09:06 |  #122

I would like to see no compact flash, no articulated screen, no gimmicky in-viewfinder displays, no 4-way button inside the rear wheel (I much prefer the joystick like the 7D I), no "new-and-improved" lithium battery, and most importantly -- no price increase!


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Feb 04, 2014 09:10 |  #123

Geordie Amanda wrote in post #16662468 (external link)
...For most, 4x4 is a wasted feature that spoils fuel economy, adds cost to the purchase price of the vehicle and is often never used.

But that analogy does not apply to the 7D. A 4x4 costs significantly more than a non-4x4 whereas a camera with video costs almost nothing compared to a camera without.


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Feb 04, 2014 09:15 |  #124

Geordie I use AWD on my car much more often than I shoot video on my 60D. Try living in Michigan.


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Feb 04, 2014 14:04 |  #125

The 50D was (I believe) the last true camera by Canon that was not spoiled by the overhead and unnecessary development costs associated with including the unwanted and unneeded video feature. So to many, that is the last pure camera available from Canon.

If you get one, however, make sure that you don't upgrade it with the free Magic Lantern Firmware that includes video, because then your pure camera will be ruined by the extra development cost and overhead of video (that you don't need or want) tacked on (even though it is free and doesn't change a thing for those that don't want it). :rolleyes:


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Feb 04, 2014 15:41 |  #126

hairy_moth wrote in post #16663257 (external link)
The 50D was (I believe) the last true camera by Canon that was not spoiled by the overhead and unnecessary development costs associated with including the unwanted and unneeded video feature. So to many, that is the last pure camera available from Canon.

I doubt removing the video feature out of any camera would necessarily lower a new body's introductory price when it hits the market. So the "unnecessary development cost with including the unwated and unneeded video feature" basically brings an extra option to consumers, whether they use it or not is up to them.


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Feb 04, 2014 15:46 |  #127

I simply can't take anyone seriously that thinks adding video to a camera costs any extra or degrades the still quality.




  
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Feb 04, 2014 15:52 |  #128

video
flip out screen
mode dial that needs two hands to operate
low DR
stupid high megapixels
FF price tag


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Feb 04, 2014 16:25 |  #129

Nathan wrote in post #16663515 (external link)
I doubt removing the video feature out of any camera would necessarily lower a new body's introductory price....

vengence wrote in post #16663534 (external link)
I simply can't take anyone seriously that thinks adding video to a camera costs any extra or degrades the still quality.

I have learned something today... Over the years, I have learned that, when sending e-mail at work, to people that get hundreds (or thousands) of e-mails each day, the very first sentence needs to tell the reader why they need to continue reading. Today I learned that, starting a post with a point that is way over the top, and finishing with a point that clearly shows that the point was sarcastic (even when I added the rolling eyes smiley) -- the sarcasm is lost. If you don't like video, don't use it; but stop whining about how adding video is ruining still photography.

I have seen dozens of posts about how Canon is wasting all of their development dollars adding video to their camera, at the cost of adding features that we, still photographers, want (like better low light performance). The point that I veiled in sarcasm is: once the LCD screen and live view are added to a camera, video can be tacked on for free.


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Feb 04, 2014 16:43 |  #130

you guys don't get it huh. Canon is a business. you aren't getting anything for free, even if it doesn't add hardware. they are still having to design the firmware/software to support different formats. but having said that it is clearly evident that canon IS spending money developing video technology: "dual pixel" AF system, bunch of STM lenses.

wake up: video isn't free. you are paying for it.


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Feb 04, 2014 16:52 |  #131

venom3300 wrote in post #16663697 (external link)
you guys don't get it huh. Canon is a business. you aren't getting anything for free, even if it doesn't add hardware. they are still having to design the firmware/software to support different formats. but having said that it is clearly evident that canon IS spending money developing video technology: "dual pixel" AF system, bunch of STM lenses.

wake up: video isn't free. you are paying for it.

Or, Canon has looked into their crystal ball and concluded, video is the future so best get into it now.


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Feb 04, 2014 16:53 |  #132

hairy_moth wrote in post #16663257 (external link)
The 50D was (I believe) the last true camera by Canon that was not spoiled by the overhead and unnecessary development costs associated with including the unwanted and unneeded video feature. So to many, that is the last pure camera available from Canon.

Didn't Magic Lantern add video to the 50D?


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Feb 04, 2014 17:10 |  #133

venom3300 wrote in post #16663697 (external link)
you guys don't get it huh. Canon is a business. you aren't getting anything for free, even if it doesn't add hardware.

But you can get the Magic Lantern firmware for your 50D for Free.
So if magic lantern can add it to your 50D for free, I find it difficult to believe that Canon is betting the farm on video.

When you divide small numbers by big ones, the result approaches zero.

My 7D has: 1 button and a microphone that would not be their if they didn't include video. That hardware may have cost them $1 per unit. Designing that in probably cost them a few days of an engineer's time (divided across all units), testing it probably a few weeks (divided across all units); same with the changes to the menus. Designing and testing the actual video software, probably a few weeks divided across the whole product line; but they had to do that for the video cameras anyway, so all they had to do was integrate it.

If we had the actual numbers, I bet the cost would not come to more than $4 per unit.


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Feb 04, 2014 17:17 |  #134

gjl711 wrote in post #16663737 (external link)
Didn't Magic Lantern add video to the 50D?

Check the second paragraph of the post you quoted. That was my whole point to anyone that considers the 50D to be the last camera undefiled by cost of adding video.. Magic Lantern added video for free.


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Feb 04, 2014 17:18 |  #135

hairy_moth wrote in post #16663785 (external link)
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If we had the actual numbers, I bet the cost would not come to more than $4 per unit.

Now figure out what that other extraneous crap like flippy screens and live view and auto focus cost and we'll get to the honest price of a real camera.


  
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