LOL Canon 6D is more "retro" than the Nikon Df

Wilt wrote in post #16438180
But the Canon body will not be aware of the actual aperture selected on the lens' aperture control ring, so your EXIF data in the image is wrong (or blank). And if you use something like the Haoda focus screen with center focus aid, you ruin the spotmeter accuracy.


BTW, did I mention the fact that stopped down metering with MF lenses on Canon bodies can be horridly wrong, too?

I've literally never had an issue with it and 90% of the shots I take are with MF glass.

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #16438217
I've literally never had an issue with it and 90% of the shots I take are with MF glass.

I first ran into the problem and posted on it here...https://photography-on-the.net …p?p=10017864&po​stcount=24

Later posted...https://photography-on-the.net …hp?p=12343739&p​ostcount=8

and the followup to that https://photography-on-the.net …p?p=12359639&po​stcount=26


Then finally this https://photography-on-the.net …p?p=14450413&po​stcount=12

Others have experienced and reported on similar issues with stopped down metering with manual adapted lenses.

Unless it has a film advance lever I'm not interested.

Well, if someone put one of those threaded battery covers where you had to have a coin to change the battery on a modern FF DSLR, I might give it a second look.

Wilt wrote in post #16438233
I first ran into the problem and posted on it here...https://photography-on-the.net …p?p=10017864&po​stcount=24

Later posted...https://photography-on-the.net …hp?p=12343739&p​ostcount=8

and the followup to that https://photography-on-the.net …p?p=12359639&po​stcount=26


Then finally this https://photography-on-the.net …p?p=14450413&po​stcount=12

Others have experienced and reported on similar issues with stopped down metering with manual adapted lenses.

Again, I've never had an issue, your tests mean nothing to me if my own tests show different results. At times it'll fluctuate by maybe 1/2 a stop if the lighting is difficult, which isn't an issue when shooting RAW. And metering even with AF lenses fluctuates by that much in my experience depending on what mode you're using for what subject.

The point is, I find it silly to pay an extra $1000+ for slightly more accurate metering.

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #16438251
Again, I've never had an issue, your tests mean nothing to me if my own tests show different results. At times it'll fluctuate by maybe 1/2 a stop if the lighting is difficult, which isn't an issue when shooting RAW. And metering even with AF lenses fluctuates by that much in my experience depending on what mode you're using for what subject.

The point is, I find it silly to pay an extra $1000+ for slightly more accurate metering.

I am not arguing that you do or don't have a problem...SOME people do! It is up to the individual to do testing with their equipment combinations. As I stated in the links, some combinations are less error prone than other combinations, even for me! Prudent user understands the limitations of his/her equipment.

Just pointing out that simply using a Canon body with adapted Nikon lenses may well not be the panacea either, compared to using Nikon lenses on the Df body.

Wilt wrote in post #16438258
I am not arguing that you don't have a problem...SOME people do! It is up to the individual to do testing with their equipment combinations. As I stated in the links, some combinations are less error prone that others, even for me!

Just pointing out that simply using a Canon body with adapted Nikon lenses may well not be the panacea either, compared to using Nikon lenses on the Df body.

Different strokes for different folks. I value the ability to change my focus screen much more than slight variances in metering, but I also shoot RAW. I guess if you're a JPEG shooter metering is a bigger deal.

I think the retro Nikon was kind of cool until I saw the price.

Yes, Lucy said it first, but it was so nice it had to be said twice.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #16438251
Again, I've never had an issue, your tests mean nothing to me if my own tests show different results. At times it'll fluctuate by maybe 1/2 a stop if the lighting is difficult, which isn't an issue when shooting RAW. And metering even with AF lenses fluctuates by that much in my experience depending on what mode you're using for what subject.

The point is, I find it silly to pay an extra $1000+ for slightly more accurate metering.

Then I guess the DF is not for you. Nothing wrong with that...but please realize some people will love the DF...and again, there is nothing wrong with that.

I like the idea Nikon is stepping out of the box and offering different options. Options is always good. Lately, Canon has been releasing boring same old same old cameras. Ti e for Canon to step out of their comfort zone and try something on the edge.

Thank God companies like Sony exist that push the envelope and keep things interesting.

Hogloff wrote in post #16438387
I like the idea Nikon is stepping out of the box and offering different options. Options is always good. Lately, Canon has been releasing boring same old same old cameras. Ti e for Canon to step out of their comfort zone and try something on the edge.

Thank God companies like Sony exist that push the envelope and keep things interesting.

I beg to differ. I think the 6D, 70D and even SL1 are all great new ideas from Canon. To me the 70D is far more interesting than the DF.

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #16438513
I beg to differ. I think the 6D, 70D and even SL1 are all great new ideas from Canon. To me the 70D is far more interesting than the DF.

How is the 6d revolutionary in any manner. What was so exciting about it. Same with the SL1. there has been nothing from Canon in the last 5 years that was revolutionary...nothin​g.

The 6d at release was the smallest and lightest FF camera on the market.
The SL1 is the smallest and lightest DSLR on the market.
The 70d has LVAF system that set a new standard for DSLRs.

Canon is doing stuff, but I would rather they did stuff like release more lenses for the M, put out an Mii with 70d sensor in it. Hell, announce a FF M and just stick the 60d sensor in it! They are doing things but they aren't doing them as well as they could (ie: crippling the 6d so much, being stuck up regarding mirrorless, etc).
The A7 excites me more than the 6d, SL1, or 70d (for stills) unfortunately. Come on Canon! Booooo

Hogloff wrote in post #16438570
How is the 6d revolutionary in any manner. What was so exciting about it. Same with the SL1. there has been nothing from Canon in the last 5 years that was revolutionary...nothin​g.

WiFi in a DSLR, smallest and lightest full frame DSLR, one of the cheapest full frame cameras, incredible high-ISO capability (as good or better than the D4) to name a few. Then the 70D, new type of revolutionary video auto focus capability as well as live view AF tracking for stills (great for macro). SL1 is barely bigger than most CSC's on the market and packs all the features one would want from a DSLR.

Just because they're not products aimed at you doesn't make them any less significant. A camera with crippled capability (no video at all, for no reason) and some chunky knobs and retro styling is much less "revolutionary" imo. The DF is aimed at people who think removing video and adding dials makes a camera somehow more suited for photography, even though in the end it still takes photos, just like every other DSLR (even those that cost less and give you more).

But if you want it, go buy it, clearly there's a market for this somewhere. I'm just not biting.

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #16438588
WiFi in a DSLR, smallest and lightest full frame DSLR, one of the cheapest full frame cameras, incredible high-ISO capability (as good or better than the D4) to name a few. Then the 70D, new type of revolutionary video auto focus capability as well as live view AF tracking for stills (great for macro). SL1 is barely bigger than most CSC's on the market and packs all the features one would want from a DSLR.

Just because they're not products aimed at you doesn't make them any less significant. A camera with crippled capability (no video at all, for no reason) and some chunky knobs and retro styling is much less "revolutionary" imo.

Wifi has been around in cameras way before then 6d. Nothing in the 6d was revolutionary. Canon rehashed their 5 year old sensor technology...added a mediocre AF system, put some bells and whistles into their standard package and called it a 6d. Nothing new.

Their toes dipping into mirrorless was an overpriced joke. It started to sell when they started giving it away. Canon's innovation the last 5 years has stagnated as they focused on video.

Yeh...making a cameraba little smaller is innovation...not.

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #16438588
The DF is aimed at people who think removing video and adding dials makes a camera somehow more suited for photography, even though in the end it still takes photos, just like every other DSLR (even those that cost less and give you more).

But if you want it, go buy it, clearly there's a market for this somewhere. I'm just not biting.

it's not revolutionary...but it is stepping out of the box, which I appreciate a lot from a company. Canon keeps within it's comfort zone way too much. I appreciate companies like Sony that bring on new products, many with great innovations that push the industry overall. Without competition, we would have a stripped down 5d3 with another version of mediocre AF. Nikon pushed Canon to release the 5d3 as we see it today. Now Sony is pushing Canon's buttons and we'll see once again Canon roll over and respond.