Serious photography..... with a phone.

cdifoto wrote in post #16442713
Who said anything about better or superior?

Difficulty has nothing to do with creativity. Just because it was hard that doesn't mean it was a creative effort.

I am certain the same creative thought process can be used for both methods.

if you know your equipment's limitations and use its strengths, you can absolutely get great photos out of a cell phone.

TTUShooter wrote in post #16442725
if you know your equipment's limitations and use its strengths, you can absolutely get great photos out of a cell phone.

The limitations will be the show stopper in many situations.

RandyMN wrote in post #16442729
The limitations will be the show stopper in many situations.

did I ever say otherwise?

TTUShooter wrote in post #16442765
did I ever say otherwise?

I was putting the emphasis on the limitations. More times than not the limitations will prevent great photo's with anything other than ideal circumstances.

This may change in the future as better technology allows more control over the cell phone camera. I'd like to see better low light capabilities and quality improve. The limitations make cell phone great for Facebook but not for serious photography, especially professional.

First what is serious photography ?
Taking snapshots at church to post then at FB isn't serious photography.
Taking macros, like real macros, taking portraits like real portraits is serious photography.
Good luck for taking it with mobile phone.

I'll stick with my DSLR cameras. It never fails that the few times I do remember my phone has a camera just about the time I line up the shot ... It rings!

Serious photography..... with a phone.
equates to
Serious plumbing... with a pair of pliers.

A knowledgeable and experienced technician is limited by the quality and capabilities of the tools he uses.

cdifoto wrote in post #16442283
The creativity is in setting up those epic portraits, staging people for compelling depth and dimension, and sculpting it with light.

Exactly.

Maybe this would help the iphone user.

http://photojojo.com …omeness/iphone-slr-mount/

nicksan wrote in post #16444877
Exactly.

So you agree that there is no creative thought process in shooting weddings photojournalist style?

This means the only place for creativity is during formal shots, the rest of the wedding events simply involves skill, no creativity.

RandyMN wrote in post #16445189
So you agree that there is no creative thought process in shooting weddings photojournalist style?

This means the only place for creativity is during formal shots, the rest of the wedding events simply involves skill, no creativity.

Do you think war documentary photography is creative? If so, what is the war photographer creating?

cdifoto wrote in post #16445239
Do you think war documentary photography is creative? If so, what is the war photographer creating?

Sorry, we are not speaking of war documentary... We are speaking of wedding styles.
Wedding photojournalism is not news, it's not history, it's memories for the couple and their family.

No one has set the rules accept the bride and groom. The only reason to photograph this way is because they wish to proceed through the day without being interrupted by the photographer every few minutes to start arranging them. No one said there will not be formal arranged shots for a brief period of time.

Also, this post was about cell phones and we have directed it off topic to define creativity and documenting an event. I made a simple comment that documenting an accident is not the same as documenting a wedding.

To be honest, it's looking like a waste of time since you will never change your view and I certainly will never agree that the wedding photojournalism style of shooting involves no creativity.

Look up a book " The Best of Wedding Photojournalism"
Author is Bill Hunter
Amherst Media is the publisher

Samples from many pros are included and maybe you can look at those and then tell me creativity was not part of the photographers process.

The scene was not created by the photographer, the image was.

Just some food for thought. Some great photographers follow this path.
"'Manufactured' or staged photography does not concern me. And if I make a judgment, it can only be on a psychological or sociological level. There are those who take photographs arranged beforehand and those who go out to discover the image and seize it. For me, the camera is a sketch book, an instrument of intuition and spontaneity, the master of the instant which - in visual terms - questions and decides simultaneously. In order to "give a meaning" to the world, one has to feel oneself involved in what he frames through the viewfinder. This attitude requires concentration, a discipline of mind, sensitivity, and a sense of geometry. It is by great economy of means that one arrives at simplicity of expression." Henri Cartier-Bresson

And a little sump'm from Meyerowitz along the same lines. He articulates it so well.
http://www.traileraddi​ct.com …/everybody-street/trailer