Returning 85L for 70-200ii...

So sorry! Didn't mean to imply you were taking on weddings with one lens!

Joking does not come across well on forums

Good luck! 35 + 70-200 is a great versatile setup. All you need is wide angle options + some supplemental light guns

jerbear00 wrote in post #16455395
So sorry! Didn't mean to imply you were taking on weddings with one lens!

Joking does not come across well on forums

Good luck! 35 + 70-200 is a great versatile setup. All you need is wide angle options + some supplemental light guns

No probs

I may end up with the 85L again in fact. 35 + 85 and 24-70 + 70-200 might be the perfect setup. The zooms for the faster paced moments, the primes for the wow shots.

Why not just change the f-stop and use lighting equipment?

Being Contraversial, when I read posts like this it makes me want to campaign for unbreakable seals on lenses.

How can you just send it back when there is nothing wrong with it ? - just because you dont fancy having it anymore?

When I buy new, I want new. Not somebody elses rejects because on a whim they changed their mind.

How is the second purchaser to know whether you dropped it, got it wet outside waiting for the bride to arrive, banged it heavily, twisted the anytime focus before it focus locked, or put it on an old camera with fungus!

I really feel people should do their research first, or rent one before buying a lens and then 2 weeks later sending it back!

Where did you buy it - must make a note never to buy from them!

Well I said it and await the usual slating - thats fine by me!

But before you post ask yourself the question. Which would you prefer a brand new one straight from the factory, or this second hand one?
With quite a variation in quality from copy to copy its nice to be reassurred yours is straight from the factory as it removes a whole load of unknown variables.
I.e. Either you the first owner are doing something wrong or its faulty.

Submariner wrote in post #16457396
Being Contraversial, when I read posts like this it makes me want to campaign for unbreakable seals on lenses.

How can you just send it back when there is nothing wrong with it ? - just because you dont fancy having it anymore?

When I buy new, I want new. Not somebody elses rejects because on a whim they changed their mind.

How is the second purchaser to know whether you dropped it, got it wet outside waiting for the bride to arrive, banged it heavily, twisted the anytime focus before it focus locked, or put it on an old camera with fungus!

I really feel people should do their research first, or rent one before buying a lens and then 2 weeks later sending it back!

Where did you buy it - must make a note never to buy from them!

Well I said it and await the usual slating - thats fine by me!

But before you post ask yourself the question. Which would you prefer a brand new one straight from the factory, or this second hand one?
With quite a variation in quality from copy to copy its nice to be reassurred yours is straight from the factory as it removes a whole load of unknown variables.
I.e. Either you the first owner are doing something wrong or its faulty.

You should direct your complaints to the shop and purchase only from establishments that do not allow returns (you may be hard pressed to find one though). If they allow returns and I feel the need to take them up on their offer then why shouldn't I?

Hell, the 70-200mm I purchased was the same one that they opened up to demo for me two days earlier and damn sure would've shown to many other customers. It may have even been returned by someone else previously. That's the price I pay for buying from somewhere that allows returns. If anything is wrong with it then I know I can take it back, otherwise I don't really care too much that I was the first person to smell it. It doesn't make me feel guilty returning it unless I knowingly return something I damaged or scratched and tried to hide it.

It is perfectly legitimate to return things if you don't like them. Happens all the time and even with vehicles, many dealers have a three day window for that, despite the size of that purchase.

I have both and use my 85LII about 99.9999% of the time and my 70-200 about 0.0001% of the time

The 85LII is a much more versatile lens for weddings in my opinion, particularly indoor work (indoors the 70-200 is either too slow or too shallow DOF @ 70-100mm f/2.8).

smorter wrote in post #16457821
I have both and use my 85LII about 99.9999% of the time and my 70-200 about 0.0001% of the time

The 85LII is a much more versatile lens for weddings in my opinion, particularly indoor work (indoors the 70-200 is either too slow or too shallow DOF @ 70-100mm f/2.8).

Do I have a miss understanding? Wouldn't the 85L have a shallower DOF for the same frame and focal length if one was opening the aperture further to accommodate lower light demands?

draculr wrote in post #16457439
You should direct your complaints to the shop and purchase only from establishments that do not allow returns (you may be hard pressed to find one though). If they allow returns and I feel the need to take them up on their offer then why shouldn't I?

Hell, the 70-200mm I purchased was the same one that they opened up to demo for me two days earlier and damn sure would've shown to many other customers. It may have even been returned by someone else previously. That's the price I pay for buying from somewhere that allows returns. If anything is wrong with it then I know I can take it back, otherwise I don't really care too much that I was the first person to smell it. It doesn't make me feel guilty returning it unless I knowingly return something I damaged or scratched and tried to hide it.

I totally differentiate between a shop that accepts a return of any goods that are even the slightest bit faulty. That I expect from any reseller. Be it their policy or not. If it has a fault it should be an instant full refund.

I feel this 'try and buy' attitude spoils it for the majority; as it builds resistance from some resellers to replace faulty gear without quibbling.

I concede in your case it is different, as you say its the store's policy.

I just would never buy from a store with that policy.

DamianOz wrote in post #16457902
Do I have a miss understanding? Wouldn't the 85L have a shallower DOF for the same frame and focal length if one was opening the aperture further to accommodate lower light demands?

I don't think that was his point.
When focusing the aperture is wide open so easier to focus accurately. When you press the shutter it shuts down to the selected aperture and respective DOF.
Obviously in exposure terms you are right. So if to get the shot her had to go from F2,8 to F1,2 then it would deliver a very shallow depth of field. Of course that's effected by how far one is from the subject as well.

DamianOz wrote in post #16457902
Do I have a miss understanding? Wouldn't the 85L have a shallower DOF for the same frame and focal length if one was opening the aperture further to accommodate lower light demands?

I imagine he means it's not shallow enough between 70-100mm.

Submariner wrote in post #16457906
I totally differentiate between a shop that accepts a return of any goods that are even the slightest bit faulty. That I expect from any reseller. Be it their policy or not. If it has a fault it should be an instant full refund.

I feel this 'try and buy' attitude spoils it for the majority; as it builds resistance from some resellers to replace faulty gear without quibbling.

I concede in your case it is different, as you say its the store's policy.

I just would never buy from a store with that policy.

As a follow up or add-on to your statements and thoughts.

Many people highlight the concept that Costco and perhaps it's competitors, offer what would seem by many to be rather generous policies regarding "returns" and as such they purchase any number of types of products with the full expectation that there is a good probability it will be returned. Or they already know they will be returning it, but want to try it out......

LOL and here I am contemplating trading my 70-200markii for a 85L.

I use the 85mm 1.8 for posed shots, and the 70-200 2.8 for reception work.

The 85mm 1.2 is not a Run around and get the shot type of lens. It's slow at focusing and is nowhere near as versatile for event work.

Honestly, Canon really needs to refresh the 85mm 1.8 and deliver what Nikon has with the 85mm 1.8G lens. The Nikon has 0 coma and is as sharp wide open as the Canon at F2.8

Submariner wrote in post #16457912
I don't think that was his point.
When focusing the aperture is wide open so easier to focus accurately. When you press the shutter it shuts down to the selected aperture and respective DOF.
Obviously in exposure terms you are right. So if to get the shot her had to go from F2,8 to F1,2 then it would deliver a very shallow depth of field. Of course that's effected by how far one is from the subject as well.

I wasn't aware a lens would open wider than the set aperture during focus. Distance is irrelevant with respect to my question. Comparing apples to apples so to speak